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I'm arranging wind parts for the following song (excerpt below). This is the end of a repeated section that starts in D major and changes to F major halfway through. So, the repeat mark at the end of the section, (in the first and second time bars) sends the player back to D major. Therefore I need a cautionary D major key signature (as written in the music already).

So, how do I get these cautionary D major key signatures, using Sibelius 7, without changing the key of the following bars? Or would it just be easiest to do this with symbols in each of the parts? (Which isn't ideal…)

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Bob Broadley
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  • I don't know anything about Sibelius but have you tried this link? The answers appear to be good. http://www.sibelius.com/cgi-bin/helpcenter/chat/chat.pl?com=thread&start=624872&groupid=3&&guest=1 – Sazid Ahmad May 04 '14 at 14:21
  • Looks good - I can't try it at the moment, as I'm doing something else. If it does work, you should put the link in an answer and I can let you have the bounty… I'll get back to you… You could put the link in an answer anyway... – Bob Broadley May 04 '14 at 14:29

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This link might be useful:
Sib. 7.1.3: Cautionary key signature immediately before end repeat barline?
I'll paste an answer here anyway. It's also possible to ask your question on that forum I think, people over there might be more knowledgeable about this.

A sample answer:

Re: Sib. 7.1.3: Cautionary key signature immediately before end repeat barline?
Posted by Richard Hatton - 20 Feb 02:54PM

It can be done.

  1. Have your repeat barline as usual and put in the key change (which will end up after the barline.
  2. click on the key sigature on one of the staves and drag it back to before the barline.
  3. Move the barline to the end of the system (either by dragging or by using the inspector. (if using the inspector I found an "X" value of -1.5 was about right)
  4. Tidy up the key signature position relative to the barline by dragging.

Note you can move the key signatures using the inspector but you need to select all of them first, I found it easier to drag! Also do the final positioning in a Transposing score else you could have some key signatures runninginto the repeat barline.

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Richard Hatton
Sibelius 7.1.3 ,Photoscore Ult. 7.0.2; Windows 7 64 bit; quad core i7, 16GB ram; core I5, 8 GB ram also with Sibelius 6.2 and Photoscore 6.1.

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    Yesterday I started writing an answer suggesting you drag the key signature left after you've inserted it. I didn't post the answer when I realised that although the score looks OK, it doesn't play back correctly. Sibelius places key changes at the beginning of a bar, rather than a cautionary at the end of a previous bar. So I think that the engraving construct that's been requested may not strictly be required. But I couldn't find any engraving articles that categorically state how this music example should look. – Brian THOMAS May 04 '14 at 21:14
  • @BrianTHOMAS thanks for your advice. I kind of took your approach in the end anyway. When copying and arranging I'm not too fussed about playback. – Bob Broadley May 05 '14 at 17:52
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The solution @Sazid_violin linked to 90% solves this problem, so I've awarded the bounty.

However, to get the cautionary natural on the D major key signature in the second time bar, I had to put an F major key signature in and hide it (shift-cmd-H). (BTW, I decided not to have a third time bar after all, so there is a double bar-line instead of a repeat mark, but I still needed to go into D major, so needed the same solution.) See below:

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Just thought I'd post this here, in case anybody else has the same problem. I haven't "answered" the question...

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