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This question comes from a possibly stupid idea, but I want to make sure its as not-stupid as possible.

I want to tattoo a QR code on my arm, that encodes a website. The domain has to be as short as possible for the QR to be as small as possible. Now I found a nice domain name, but its TLD is .gy.

The tattoo is rather permanent, and I know things on the internet are not always like that.

So my main concern is - what happens if the country governing that TLD ceases to exist? What if they are involved in war? What if there's administrative errors and they fail to keep ownership over their TLD?

I just have a feeling that a .gy domain is much more likely to disappear / malfunction as compared to .com or .nl.

Are those feelings correct? Would it be safer for me to go for a .com domain?

That tattoo would be stupid, but one thats not working anymore would be even more stupid.

EDIT: The deed has been done, and its working great :) I decided to go with an even shorter domain (one that I still had), and one from my own country. Fits great in a 21x21 with "medium" ECC. The URL thats encoded is the following: Click on your own discretion. photo of qr code tattoo

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    I'd add a couple questions to your list of concerns: "what if i fail to renew the domain in time and someone else captures it" and "what if renewal becomes prohibitively expensive". – gronostaj May 03 '21 at 14:56
  • Good questions! The first one is a real issue with all domains though. The latter one is interesting though... – Rob May 03 '21 at 15:01
  • I'm mainly wondering about the governing companies - when running `dig +trace @1.1.1.1 +nodnssec` you see the main DNS companies domains' for that TLD second. I'm not sure if lactld.org + pch.net for example are solid companies... – Rob May 03 '21 at 15:04
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    Just fun fact, the [USSR TLD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.su) is still around. – jaskij May 04 '21 at 00:21
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    I had to look it up but I'm doubtful Guyana is going anywhere in your lifetime – Journeyman Geek May 04 '21 at 04:17
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    You realize you'd also have to maintain that site in perpetuity, lest some one else take it over. .Q:"What's that on your arm?" A: "Oh, that's the QR code to the revenge website my ex set up; I forgot to renew and my ex got a little vengeful". That would be [stupid and awkward](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/patrick-fox-revenge-website-sentenced-breach-of-probation-1.5984329). Or perhaps you just fall afoul of some Gov't law requiring citizenzhip or local presence for a [national TLD-based website](https://www.cira.ca/ca-domains/register-your-ca-domain/requirements). – Ian W May 04 '21 at 08:18
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    This feels like you’re choosing cars, and asking “But what if Volvo goes out of business and I can’t get spare parts?” Sure, it’s not impossible, and it’s more likely with some manufacturers than others. But there are so many other things that are *much more* likely to limit the lifespan of the car — it doesn’t make any sense to make this a major factor in your choice. – PLL May 04 '21 at 09:36
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    Have you looked into how many bytes of data you can pack into a QR code? You might not really need to worry about buying a .gy just to save a byte over .com – A C May 04 '21 at 15:42
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    In case you're not aware, some online QR code generators will take your url, generate a shortlink, and then give you a code that links to your url *through their own service* . Not sure if you're generating your own code from scratch or planning to use such a service; just something to be aware of since that service may not be around forever either. – A C May 04 '21 at 15:51
  • People’s expectations of what nation-states might soon disappear are rarely accurate. If you look back at most of the ones that disappeared in Europe in the past 40 years, even the experts thought that they weren’t going away anytime soon as little as a year before they actually did. State collapses happen a lot more suddenly than we tend to think or expect. – RBarryYoung May 04 '21 at 17:30
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    @d-b Same as if DNS stops being a thing: you have a cool "vintage tech" tattoo. – gronostaj May 04 '21 at 18:00
  • @PLL You don't expect to drive a single car for 60 years though, and if it breaks you can get a new one. – gronostaj May 04 '21 at 18:01
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    @Rob How about getting a stainless steel stencil made and using that for henna/semi-permanent tatoos? – Andrew Morton May 04 '21 at 19:49
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    I have the feeling people are focusing too heavily on "country ceases to exist"; I have a vague memory of some years ago, where a country wanted to revoke global usage and reclaim their TLD, but can't remember which one it was or what came of it. – Izkata May 05 '21 at 14:51
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    @d-b Bar codes are still a thing, half a century later. The encoding for QR codes is entirely standardised in the same way, and is in the same widespread use. It might not be a cool thing to have on your body in future, the same as any tattoo, but that's a different question. – Graham May 05 '21 at 18:59
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    @Rob Congrats on your new tat! Can't scan it from the photo (too much barrel distortion), but using the link you provide you successfully rolled me ;-) – Jason Smith May 12 '21 at 18:51
  • @JasonSmith thanks :) Its weird but it works much better on some phones than others. Lets say I was relieved the first time we succesfully scanned it ;p – Rob May 13 '21 at 20:50

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Yes, top level domains disappear:

.zr is the former Internet country code top-level domain (ccTLD) for Zaire. When Zaire was renamed to Democratic Republic of the Congo in 1997, .zr was phased out and .cd took its place. In 2001, .zr was deleted.1

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.zr

Additionally you might lose the right to renew:

On 29 March 2018, as a consequence of the United Kingdom's exit from the European Union, it was announced that "as of the withdrawal date, undertakings and organisations that are established in the United Kingdom but not in the EU, and natural persons who reside in the United Kingdom will no longer be eligible to register .eu domain names or, if they are .eu registrants, to renew .eu domain names registered before the withdrawal date".

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.eu

Or the price might be increased significantly:

The TLDs seeing the biggest price hikes are .hosting and .juegos (Spanish for “games”) which are going up from about $20 retail and about $10 retail respectively to about $300 apiece. [...] Names in .audio, .blackfriday, .diet, .flowers, hiphop .guitars and .property, currently priced in the $10 to $25 range, will all start retailing for about $100 per year.

Source: http://domainincite.com/21603-schilling-big-price-increases-needed-to-keep-new-gtlds-alive and the user Coburn who was able to provide a source.

As for stability of a western European country vs south american countries: Hard to say. The last two world wars weren't that long ago and were 'centered' in Europe, so who knows where the next 'round' of country and border destabilizing war will be. Also worth noting that QR codes as a way to share hyperlinks won't stay relevant forever either, imagine right now if someone had a tattoo of a usenet group. Point of all of this together is: URLs (and QR codes as a way to encode them) aren't meant in any way to be permanent.

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    If you want something on your body to open a webpage an implantable NFC chip (or just an NFC bracelet ) might work better. It's removable if NFC becomes passe and it's editable if you want to change the website link. – David Mulder May 04 '21 at 00:25
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    The usenet group tattoo would now be considered "retro" and increased 200% in coolness. – WooShell May 04 '21 at 09:20
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    _"QR codes won't last forever either"_ -- the QR code is just a way of encoding the URL (a piece fo text), it'll be possible to decode it as long as you can find a description of how the encoding works. Which is a bit different from a Usenet group, which depends on other people running servers to carry the group. Sure, QR codes can become passé, so it won't be as _easy_ to access the software required to decode it. – ilkkachu May 04 '21 at 09:24
  • @ikkachu Yeah, just because it will be always possible to decode it doesn't mean that the concept will stay around for consumers. I can imagine countless of futures where portable computing devices will lose the preinstalled option of decoding QRs. Extreme example: For all we know we might migrate from 'webpages with links' to 'VR spaces without addresses that need to be memorable' – David Mulder May 04 '21 at 09:53
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    ...or the http protocol that you'd prefix your url with could be replaced with something else. Oh wait, that's pretty much happened (https). Surely that'll be around forever, though. – A C May 04 '21 at 15:40
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    A lot more European countries have disappeared in the past 40 years than South American ones. And that was without a world war too. – RBarryYoung May 04 '21 at 17:23
  • Re TLD price raising: Uniregistry did this with a bunch of TLDs a few years back. https://blog.dnsimple.com/2017/08/uniregistry-tld-price-increase/ – Cobertos May 06 '21 at 00:27
  • @DavidMulder I've got a Samsung Galaxy 5 (perfectly adequate for what I need), and I needed to install a separate app to read QR codes. "Preinstalled" isn't an obstacle. Imagining a future without camera-equipped devices is fairly impractical, as is a future without the ability to load apps (relatively) freely onto those devices. This isn't a future that's reachable purely through technology; you need some dystopian future for that, and then accessing a website probably isn't achievable anyway. :) – Graham May 06 '21 at 12:57
  • @DavidMulder Galaxy S5 Neo, to be precise. It's secure enough. It's had one replacement battery already (you can do that with older phones). It'll happily go a couple of days without charging if you're not doing anything much with it; of course if you're playing games or doing anything with the screen on then it needs charging more often, but that's true of everything. As you say, the point of a QR code is standardisation and ease of processing. Even if it's no longer the latest cool thing, apps will still exist to trivially let you process it. – Graham May 06 '21 at 13:24
  • @DavidMulder My fault - thought I'd typed "S5" and not just "5". – Graham May 06 '21 at 13:33
  • I'm getting my NFC implant as well ;+) – Rob May 08 '21 at 13:55
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All domains are ultimately controlled by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN).

From Wikipedia:

ICANN is an American multistakeholder group and nonprofit organization responsible for coordinating the maintenance and procedures of several databases related to the namespaces and numerical spaces of the Internet, ensuring the network's stable and secure operation

They assign the registries for Top Level Domains, including the countries. They let the countries decide who their registries are.

In short, nothing is permanent. Countries, registries, or even tattoos.

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    I think you just pushed me over the edge on scarring this domain name into my wrist :) – Rob May 03 '21 at 15:13
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    @Rob just make sure he does it right. https://baklol.com/baks/Funny/Worst-Tattoo-Spelling-Mistakes-_19/ – Keltari May 03 '21 at 15:19
  • I will definately be triple checking the stencil ;) – Rob May 03 '21 at 15:29
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    I would check it considerably more thoroughly than you checked your question. "seize" to exist??? [You missed a couple of apostrophes too ;) Also, unless you have heritage connections to a country, you ought to check out its political 'optics' on the world stage. If, for instance, you have strong positive opinions on gay relationships, don't align yourself with a country where it's illegal. – Tetsujin May 03 '21 at 16:58
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    Even if the address _does_ turn out to be permanent, how do you think we older users feel about our tattoos of Gopher or UUCP paths? – jeffB May 04 '21 at 00:06
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    @jeffB - even my compuserve address is starting to feel a little passé these days ;) – Tetsujin May 04 '21 at 08:01
  • @jeffB Did anyone actually use gopher? I grew up right into that time, but I don't know of anyone who ever mentioned using it. It felt like a "retro" or "outsider" thing even back at that time. – WooShell May 04 '21 at 09:23
  • When internet became available at my university there was gopher. Mosaic already existed but we still had lots of DOS machines. So, for a while "using the internet" for me meant gopher. – Martin Argerami May 04 '21 at 15:18
  • @Rob “definately” triple checking checking might not be enough. – Tim May 05 '21 at 13:52
  • I thought IANA took over a few years ago? https://www.iana.org/domains/root *We are responsible for management of the DNS root zone. This role means assigning the operators of top-level domains, such as .uk and .com, and maintaining their technical and administrative details.* – JamesTheAwesomeDude May 06 '21 at 14:57
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The TLD will probably outlive the legibility of your tattoo.

While the other answers address the technical aspect I'd like to address the physical aspect.

  • Unless you are being tattooed by a machine then you'd have to bestow a lot of trust in your artist to make it perfect
  • Tattoos fade. Do you plan on undergoing this endeavor every decade or so?
  • Tattoos blur. I have no idea how this issue would be corrected.
  • Once your skin starts wrinkling then will you get Botox in that specific area?
  • Consider writing out the URL below the QR code for the aforementioned reasons
  • What happens when we switch from HTTPS to HTTPSS or something. Will your old URL be forwarded properly?
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  • Also most tattoo regret comes from small tattoos (I don't have the statistics to hand but it's genuinely been measured not just guessed). People who get really big tattoos all over their arms / chest / whatever don't usually regret them. People who get one or two small tattoos on their wrists and ankles often do. – niemiro May 04 '21 at 15:55
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    @niemiro [The conclusion from this isn't “get a big tattoo”.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart's_law) – wizzwizz4 May 04 '21 at 16:06
  • This is 100% the actual issue with the idea - tattoos both fade AND blur over time, I think it's very unlikely a QR code tattoo would still be scannable after a few years. https://www.boredpanda.com/tattoo-aging-before-after/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=organic – Nathan Griffiths May 05 '21 at 04:25
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    The concern noted here is valid, but do note that QR codes are specifically designed to remain scannable even if distorted or partially obscured. I'm not aware of any specific studies on how well they tolerate skin distortion or tattoo fading (might make for nice YouTube video, maybe using a temporary henna tattoo or even just a QR code printed on a rubber balloon or something), but I'd be reasonably confident that a well made tattoo should remain more or less scannable for most of a lifetime. – Ilmari Karonen May 05 '21 at 17:08
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It's probably also worth pointing out that perhaps the most infamous example of a tld surviving its country is the .su domain. Only 15 months after it was assigned, the Soviet Union was dissolved into its constituent parts. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.su). Despite dissolution, the .su tld continues to exist and serve sites.

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You might not need an exotic 2-character TLD, and could go for a slightly longer .com or .net:

Assuming you are aiming for the lowest resolution QR code (21x21 pixels), you have several options depending on error correction level (see Version 1 in Byte Mode of ISO/IEC 18004:2000(E) standard).

Version 1, Byte Mode, 21x21 pixels:
  EC Low (7%)          http://abcdef.com  (17 chars)
  EC Medium (15%)      http://zyx.com     (14 chars)
  EC Quartile (25%)    abcdefg.com        (11 chars)
  EC High (30%)        abc.com            (7 chars)

The latter two assume most phones will recognize the text as an URL without the http:// prefix (which is true today, but perhaps not in the future).

Not sure what is optimal here: lower resolution with less EC, or higher resolution but more resiliance against faded/malformed tattoo?! In case you decide for more error correction and higher 25x25 resolution:

Version 2, Byte Mode, 25x25 pixels:
  EC Medium (15%)      http://abcdefghijklmno.com   (26 chars)
  EC Quartile (25%)    http://abcdefghi.com         (20 chars)
  EC High (30%)        http://zyx.net               (14 chars)
  EC High (30%)        abcdefghij.com               (14 chars)

Beware that even the 21x21 pixel resolution is already quite high for a human tattoo artist to draw. So make sure your tattoo will be reasonably sized, otherwise the QR code will not work reliably. For example http://abcdef.com:

enter image description here

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    You don't even need a good 6 char .com name; it can be a mish-mash of any chars. Buy the short domain and permanently forward it to the real domain. The end user would never know unless they paid attention. People trust bit.ly links so I doubt they'd think twice about OP's domain. – MonkeyZeus May 05 '21 at 11:55
  • For some values of "people", @MonkeyZeus... Not everyone does. – FreeMan May 05 '21 at 12:28
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    @FreeMan The year is 2088 and the mortician is preparing things for the services but notices a QR code on the person's wrist so they scan it. Lo and behold OP has rick-rolled someone just one last time. – MonkeyZeus May 05 '21 at 12:36
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    At 21x21, you fit 17 characters in byte mode, not alphanumeric. Alphanumeric is only uppercase (and would allow 25 characters), but even though many QR code readers support uppercase URLs, some don't and behave weirdly. Note however that 17 characters implies error correction level L (low), when higher levels may be useful here. – jcaron May 05 '21 at 12:44
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    I'm pretty sure some QR Code readers don't support URLs not starting with `http://`, `https://` or `www.`. – jcaron May 05 '21 at 12:46
  • @jcaron As far as I know QR codes have no special designation for plain text versus URL. A URL is plain text. It would be up to the QR code scanner to judge if the message should be opened with a browser or not. If the QR code reader deems `abc.com` as nothing more than text then you would be relying on user savvy-ness to know they should type that address into their browser. – MonkeyZeus May 05 '21 at 14:51
  • @jcaron Don't believe me? Compare "Text" and "URL" outputs side-by-side in any of these free sites: https://www.qr-code-generator.com/, https://www.the-qrcode-generator.com/, https://www.qrcode-monkey.com/ – MonkeyZeus May 05 '21 at 14:54
  • @jcaron Correction, https://www.the-qrcode-generator.com/ seems to prepend `http://` for you when you choose URL if you fail to provide a protocol using the "URL" option. My comment still stands; it's just text and it's your scanner's job to say "hey, this text is a URL!" – MonkeyZeus May 05 '21 at 14:59
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    @MonkeyZeus I may have been unclear. The QR Code readers will indeed always recognise and read the QR Code. But most can open the URL the QR Code contains **if** they recognise it as a URL. The criteria for doing so vary a lot from one reader to another. It is possible some will let you "open" anything as if it were a URL, while others only recognise text starting with `http` or `www`. Some are tolerant for upper-case, some are not. If you want to be able to open the URL just after scanning it, starting with lower-case `http://` or `https://` is strongly recommended. – jcaron May 05 '21 at 15:31
  • @jcaron I re-read your comment and do see you were referring to "QR Code reader" capability. Sorry for the confusion. – MonkeyZeus May 05 '21 at 15:34
  • I've edited my question :) Thanks for the explaination! I went with the 21x21 15% EC. – Rob May 12 '21 at 18:28
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I think it is pretty safe to assume that when you look for a website to stay online as long as possible, the existence of the TLD is the least of your concerns. When you still have to host the website and ensure that it lives at least as long as your tattoo, chances are that other possible terminating events will occur earlier. Others have discussed the viability of such a thing, so I am going to present other possible and perhaps better options.

The Wayback Machine is a powerful tool to use when looking for a long gone website, but you also have the ability to save any page there. The website may become unavailable for a variety of reasons, but anyone has the possibility to browse its archived version, and also verify that it was indeed yours. Of course the archive may one day cease to exist as well, but that would result in a lot of worse things than the increased stupidity of your tattoo.

Next on the effort scale we have .onion services. These are hosted on the decentralized Tor network, but running one requires very little resources. Any computer connected to the internet will do, but visitors must go through the Tor network to connect, or use one of the public proxies. The advantage is also that nobody will be able to steal or reroute the traffic to the website, as long as you are the sole owner of its private key.

Both of these methods require the device that would read the QR code to understand how to navigate to the desired result, which is not usually available. You can use a URL shortener to compress the size of the (navigable) URL, but there is something better: purl.org. This hosts "permanent" URLs, basically maintanable redirects. You can host the website anywhere and always make sure that the pURL redirects to a working location, or perhaps to the Wayback Machine when you no longer wish to run the website. A lot of important things rely on it already, so if it also becomes unavailable as a service, the consequences will be dire for many people.

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