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My question is basically targetting various sciences that we use to understnad the real world and how we form laws in them. For example, in physics, we first see sometthing in the real world. Let it be Newton seeing the apple fall down or anything else. It could be the fine tuned constants of nature. Now, we go on to follow a mathematical path that is based on physical reality. For example, if I ask why doesn't the law of gravitation have r^3 in its denominator, then I could we answered as ,"It also has to match up with reality". So we have this phenomena of having chosen the laws that fit reality and building math like that too if I am not wrong.

I don't remember which one, but I think it was Special Relativity that Einstein formulated purely on the basis of thought and did not keep anything to fit observed reality.

In a sense then, if I ask why a law is valid, the mathematical proof will be built around axioms ultimately. Similarly if I ask why a physical law is valid, some parts of the reasoning always involves "It is what it is".

Wasnt physics supposed to describe reality? I mean when we ask why does an object fall under gravity, most people tend to tell that it accelerates down, and describe the whole law. But then isnt that just describing what was itself formed under the process of 1st seeing nature, 2nd building a theory that purposely matches reality and 3rd using it to make predictable observations as a substitution to having to observe again and again.

It still raises the concern that Nature doesn't need to follow our laws. Moreover, our laws are guided by nature as they were formed on it's basis and observation. So, what are we really using Physics then to do? Making observations?

While I recognise that knowing the "what can it do and hows" of an object are of more practical use than the "why it does that" (although knowing why seems more reasonable to me), even for the purpose of pure scientific quest, will we be ever able to answer a true "why" question? Does everything then have a reason? What if I perpetually keep asking "why" to the responses?

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    We make observations, we imagine laws and relations between entities, we check them through experiments, we use laws and relations to predicts new facts, we revise our theories. – Mauro ALLEGRANZA Jun 10 '22 at 16:53
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    SO will we be ever able to know why those laws are followed in nature without invoking unnecessary infinite universes that have all sets of laws followed in them (all possible configs) – Aveer Singh Jun 10 '22 at 17:06
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    Mauro did not say all of that. What the conclusion is that no science can produce certainty. All any science can do is provide probability of something being true. This does not mean there is no certainty. To conclude nothing is certain would be false and an error. It just means science can't provide absolutes. Other subjects can provide some absolutes. Hence we know some absolutes exists. – Logikal Jun 10 '22 at 18:55
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    The ancient Temple of Apollo at Delphi inscribed maxims such as "*Know thyself*", "*Certainty brings insanity*"... Socrates once said in Phaedrus that people are trying to know obscure things before they know themselves... – Double Knot Jun 10 '22 at 19:39
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    If you ask a person 'why' over and over, they will get tired of answering. If you ask reality at large, all you will ever get is a deafening, perpetual silence. So, work with people, and try not to ask too many questions of something that cannot ever answer. (That's my advice, anyway) – Scott Rowe Jun 11 '22 at 11:12
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    Are you really asking whether the scientific method consists broadly in first seeing nature, second building a theory that matches reality and third using that to make predictions then yes, of course. If that's not the main point which is, please? – Robbie Goodwin Jun 12 '22 at 20:44
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    that is the main point – Aveer Singh Jun 13 '22 at 07:46
  • see https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/22448/what-are-the-historic-stances-on-the-epistemological-status-of-mathematics/22484#22484 – Swami Vishwananda Jun 13 '22 at 14:41
  • Does this answer your question? [What are the historic stances on the epistemological status of mathematics?](https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/22448/what-are-the-historic-stances-on-the-epistemological-status-of-mathematics) – Swami Vishwananda Jun 13 '22 at 14:41
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    About the very narrow point of why Newton'ss formula is in r^2: it makes sense if you consider the way a punctual mass distributes its gravitational influence around itself. For any distance D, you have a sphere of equal influence centered on the mass and radius D. The influence is distributed homogenously all over the surface of the sphere, which is 4*Pi*r^2 As distance increases the same influence is applied, but in a larger sphere, thus the r^2 denominator. – armand Jun 14 '22 at 04:29
  • @armand And as someone develops experience with the math and physics at first helps them understand the system by visualizing, then be able to predict or theorize by visualizing. For someone who can't so see, the math is just a bunch of symbols. The answer to the Why becomes the clear picture that things couldn't have been otherwise. Your comment would make a good answer. – Scott Rowe Jun 14 '22 at 10:04
  • @AveerSingh Really? If the main point is asking whether the scientific method consists broadly in first seeing nature, second building a theory that matches reality and third using that to make predictions, is that not also the Answer to the Question Title: How do we understand the real world? "It also has to match up with reality" doesn't have the usual meaning, "How does perception match up to reality," does it? Is this not fully covered in roughly, school year eight? – Robbie Goodwin Jun 14 '22 at 16:31
  • @RobbieGoodwin Perhaps the divergence begins at the "seeing Nature" part. If we are *actually* seeing what is, then there can be no question of knowing what and why. But instead, we "see through" our already existing state of knowledge. It is hard to see more than we have seen before. Can we suddenly know more than we saw? No. Most people find this exasperating. It is why I stopped taking Philosophy courses in college. Maybe humanity's biggest fault is that people want certainty without having to live through getting to it. – Scott Rowe Jun 16 '22 at 09:45
  • @ScottRowe Thanks and Don't you think that's a bit beyond the scope of the Question? Did you not cover this in roughly school year eight? – Robbie Goodwin Jun 16 '22 at 17:56
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    Although Newton’s laws are called laws, there is no supposition that nature is obliged to follow these equations because Newton said so. They are, as you say, based on observation and don’t attempt to explain why nature behaves like this. – Frog Jun 17 '22 at 22:18
  • If you keep asking "why", eventually you get to the answer "GOD", because randomness won't be able to ascribe a set of consistent formulae. And if it's not random, it's ordered, and if it's ordered, then something has to keep that order consistent, otherwise entropy is the Law of Nature as every physicist knows and eveyrone loses. – Marxos Jun 17 '22 at 22:50
  • @RobbieGoodwin There is seeing, and there is seeing. This, is precisely the entirety of this, and every, Philosophical question. If everyone knew this from year eight, there would be no Philosophy, Physics, Medicine, wars, economics... Have you seen the movie *Arrival*? Did you *really* see what it was saying? – Scott Rowe Jun 17 '22 at 23:27
  • @ScottRowe Thanks and did you notice no problem with "This, is… "? Since your use of language at that level is in doubt, what happens to anything built on it? Who doubts "there is seeing, and there is seeing" or that that's crucial to philosophy? Who'd like Scott to smell the coffee, awake or not? If everyone knew those basics from year eight, I suggest philosophy as well as physics or medicine, wars or economics would be much easier to follow. Who doubts that? Sorry, Scott. I haven't heard of Arrival. Can you Post a precis? – Robbie Goodwin Jun 20 '22 at 22:40
  • @RobbieGoodwin The movie Arrival shows how people can find their place in the scheme of reality. It is basically a spiritual parable. See if you can find a way to watch it. Some people get the point, others turn away in rage or horror. Like most spiritual things. – Scott Rowe Jul 03 '22 at 02:37
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    @ScottRowe You're in danger of having us shooed to Chat for wandering off topic and still, how sure are you that AveerSingh will agree, the movie "Arrival" is all that's needed to Answer this Question… or even that "Arrival" is relevant? – Robbie Goodwin Jul 10 '22 at 19:55
  • @RobbieGoodwin I am completely sure that it answers the question. AveerSingh said: '*if I ask why a physical law is valid, some parts of the reasoning always involves "It is what it is".*' When you see what is, then the question is answered. Either you think it's possible to see what is, or you don't. Henry Ford said: "*When you say you can or you can't, you are absolutely right.*" (Hint - it is possible) – Scott Rowe Jul 11 '22 at 00:59

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I don't remember which one, but I think it was Special Relativity that Einstein formulated purely on the basis of thought and did not keep anything to fit observed reality.

This is false. There were many experiments and pre-existing mathematical results which motivated Einstein for his relativity theory. For instance, one of the main experiment that motivated Einstein to think in the direction of relativity was the Michaelson morley experiment, and on the mathematical side, the Lorentz transformation found by Voigt. That's right, Einstein didn't come up with the exact transformation law between coordinate frame when a speed is fixed. He only took those rules and saw that experiment and made the connection.

It still raises the concern that Nature doesn't need to follow our laws. Moreover, our laws are guided by nature as they were formed on it's basis and observation. So, what are we really using Physics then to do? Making observations?

While I recognise that knowing the "what can it do and hows" of an object are of more practical use than the "why it does that" (although knowing why seems more reasonable to me), even for the purpose of pure scientific quest, will we be ever able to answer a true "why" question? Does everything then have a reason? What if I perpetually keep asking "why" to the responses?

We essentially assume regularity in our experience when doing science. That is, if we do a test of Newton's laws today or some time later, then it will be equally true at any time. Usually when people learn these stuff, they don't question it much because they have an assumption motivated by induction. That is, they think what they saw for all the life would be what they see tomorrow.

This reasoning is sort of flawed because it could be that tomorrow for whatever reason all the laws of physics changes for some reason beyond our current understanding, but, I think it is best to keep our worries away till such a day actually comes.

The purpose of physics is mainly have a method to predict the future in a way. How it works is that we see a few situations, now we try find models which fit that situation , and then, we see what other prediction that model can make. Now, it maybe that we find a new phenomena that our model can't explain, then we go back to the drawing board and try to tweak/ rework our model to include this phenomena into the set of calculable things.


On the purpose of Physics

The purpose of physics is usually not to give an explanation of why things are, that I think is more of a goal for spirituality/ religion. Though it may be that sometimes that one can understand complicated phenomena through simpler principle.

For example, a simple reason we can give for why things happen the way they do is from the principle that the universe is tending always to a state of disorder (higher entropy). Now, using this we can explain a many phenomena related to cosmology , but, if one were to ask "Why is it actually tending toward a state of disorder?" it may be that the answer is not there. And even if it is there, a few more "why?" then the answer is again we don't know.

The main point is to be able see how it works. It's essentially an reverse engineering process where we try to find an explanation of many complicated phenomena by simple rules. Take for example optics and Snell's laws, after observing light and it's behavior when reflecting and refracting surface, we can deduce both the Snell's law of Reflection and Refraction.

Now, to further our understanding, we can sum up the previous knowledge in the idea of time extremization. That is , we can see both the above results are the path an object would take if it wanted to move in a way that it minimized time between two points.

And, again even further, one could explain it on some Quantum theory that the probability of light going in some path is proportional to time and integrating over all paths, that of stationary time contributes the most.

We see that each level, the explanation is more sophisticated and it can be used to reason a much more amount of cases, and, in all cases a correct usage of Physics.

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  • There maybe a few grammatical errors in this answer. Feel free to edit that if you come across it – Reine Abstraktion Jun 10 '22 at 20:38
  • The quantum picture can be found at end of this Feynman [lecture](https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/I_26.html) – Reine Abstraktion Jun 11 '22 at 09:34
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    OMG - Michelson–Morley experiment... The poor man never did accept that it would be equally *false*, today, and every day! Gack! And so, we use that non-result to detect black holes colliding in the distance now. You can't make this stuff up. And telescopes a mile underground noticing supernovas by looking for ghosts... – Scott Rowe Jun 11 '22 at 11:28
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    @ScottRowe that tells us how, in science, the researcher who doesn't find is just as important as the one who finds, even if most people only remember the latter. I remember a Japanese Nobel prize recipient who said just that in his acceptance speech. Thought it was pretty ballsy of him. – armand Jun 14 '22 at 04:41
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There are some different metaphysical positions on the universe. Some have the belief the universe is a hologram, and others say it's a simulation; some believe in multiple universes. My response rejects these views as non-empirical, and I believe represents the received physicalist view on this topic.

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If you subscribe to mental representations, than it's simple to understand our thinking as a map, and the universe as a mapped territory. This is known as the map-territory metaphor, and is important because a lot of thinkers commit a category mistake and confuse the two. From the article:

Polish-American scientist and philosopher Alfred Korzybski remarked that "the map is not the territory".

So, what goes on in the external, physical world, and what goes on in our minds are fundamentally two different things. Setting aside lots of complicated philosophical theory related to the mind-body duality, which addresses exactly how the physical and mental worlds relate, it is sufficient to say that for the purposes of this conversation, we just maintain that they metaphysically, they are two, different domains of discourse.

When something happens in the physical world, scientists attempt to create a scientific explanation. Setting aside exactly what that means, we can say that scientists often try to build mathematical models of what they are describing. In the olden days, these were called Laws! But the problem with irrefutable Laws, is that they have a history of being displaced, changed, or outright disproven. This is what we in philosophy call the scandal of induction which Hume is famous for, but certainly goes back to Ancient Greece. This answers your first question. The universe does not "follow" laws, but because the universe isn't an agent; such attempts to say the universe must obey our laws is confusing the territory for the map. You wouldn't draw a picture on a map and expect mountains to change in physical reality. To scribble an equation and then find the universe does not conform to it is the same in principle. Newton had a lovely set of Laws, until Einstein came up with a better set that were more comprehensive. This is a perfect example of how human reason is defeasible.

The mathematical view that dovetails nicely with this is mathematical intuitionism. From WP:

In the philosophy of mathematics, intuitionism, or neointuitionism (opposed to preintuitionism), is an approach where mathematics is considered to be purely the result of the constructive mental activity of humans rather than the discovery of fundamental principles claimed to exist in an objective reality.

Thus, physical theories which are mathematical are nothing more than constructed, linguistic artifacts that describe experience. This is in contrast to the non-empirical notions of Platonism which assert that there is some alternative physical realm of real things called numbers.

So, what are we really using Physics then to do? Making observations?

Yes. Physics makes observations, creates qualitative and quantitative descriptions, and uses them to make predictions, solve problems, and offer an explanation.

will we be ever able to answer a true "why" question? Does everything then have a reason? What if I perpetually keep asking "why" to the responses?

In the phrase "true why", true is a weasel word and doesn't really communicate anything other than your believe that some why's are better than others. As for a string why's, that's very scientific if done correctly. See Cummin's ideas in "Causal Role Theories of Functional Explanation" and an answer about it here. The universe is a big place with lots of changing parts, so yes, you can keep asking why's about it until your last breath. The real trick is making the why questions meaningful and not confusing the sorts. Aristotle got a good start on this with his Four Causes, and you might consider philosophy nothing more than the continuing pursuit of asking why.

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    So, when we study Physics, for example, we learn more about our brains than we do about the world, ha ha. It's like when you adjust a microscope or some other instrument just right, straining to reach some new level of observation, and you end up discovering the dust particles inside it, or spherical aberration or something. The harder we try, the more we discover... ourselves. The Map. – Scott Rowe Jun 11 '22 at 11:21
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    @ScottRowe Our brains were designed (by evolution) to discover patterns in the world, because that allows them to guide us to more successful behavior. – Barmar Jun 11 '22 at 13:15
  • @Barmar So when we see the inside of the hologram generator, it tells us about the outside. "*Wrap the inside in the outside. Is it good? Darn tootin'*" Gimme a big fig, Newton! Er, apple. Calculus is the pane of glass on the surface of humanity. – Scott Rowe Jun 11 '22 at 16:18
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    @ScottRowe That's true for almost all studies including physics certainly as the ancient [Shurangama Sutra](http://www.cttbusa.org/shurangama/shurangama17.asp.html) insinuated: "*Extremely subtle, the Adana consciousness Makes patterns of habit that flow on in torrents. Fearing you will confuse the truth with what is not, I rarely tell you of all this. With your own mind, you grasp at your own mind. What is not illusory turns into illusion...*" Since you had this seed planted somewhere, that may be a reason you've been attracted to philosophy long ago... – Double Knot Jun 11 '22 at 19:18
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    @DoubleKnot Perhaps so. I wanted to know a system that could help we find out what is true. The hard truth is, there is no system. But now I know how to know what is true. – Scott Rowe Jun 11 '22 at 19:25
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    @ScottRowe Good to hear your enlightenment! Now in principle nothing can hinder you to find out the truth and *truthfully* answer every question on this site at least lol. Gate, gate, svaha... – Double Knot Jun 11 '22 at 19:39
  • @DoubleKnot It is possible to "come unfooled", as Bart Marshall put it. People do so every day, it is a natural process. Jeffery Martin has had an official research study about it for years now, calling it "Non-symbolic Consciousness". Take a look. – Scott Rowe Jun 11 '22 at 23:27
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    @ScottRowe Illusion referred above doesn't necessarily mean fooled, no doubt often times it's quite "useful/successful" in everyday life, but it may hinder one's further advancement and enlightenment. "Non-symbolic Consciousness" sounds like [Pratyaksha](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratyaksha), a term coined in the Eastern Yogachara school since ancient. So your secret to "know how to know what is true" is via Yogachara gate?... – Double Knot Jun 12 '22 at 02:30
  • @DoubleKnot Your reference says: "*Pratyaksha is one of the three principal means of knowledge, it means that which is present before the eyes clear, distinct and evident.*" This sounds a bit like the Stoic basis for knowledge. I have experience with spiritual study and meditation. Ran a retreat center for 10 years. The **knowing** built over my life and passed a threshold 8 years ago. I would not be able to explain what happened. One popular writer I agree completely with is Cheryl Abram. Another is Byron Katie. Also my Guru, of course. None of this is out of reach for anyone, just effort. – Scott Rowe Jun 12 '22 at 13:02
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    The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali says that for the most zealous seekers, it is only a matter of time. – Scott Rowe Jun 12 '22 at 13:05
  • This smells the Bhakti movement... – Double Knot Jun 13 '22 at 00:42
  • @DoubleKnot Bhakti like in the Hare Krishna sect? With respect for A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, I was told that the timescale of the Yugas he was basing things on was incorrect. So, Bhakti is not the only method that will work, Jnana works also. There are about 6 Yogas, and they all work for seeking. Be willing to re-see. *Seeing moves*. – Scott Rowe Jun 14 '22 at 09:53
  • @ScottRowe Re your "for the most zealous seekers, it is only a matter of time" sounds reasonable, but normally how long does a typical zealous seeker need? Often times it seems very indefinitely long. For example in this site I see some zealous OP post almost same question after several years... – Double Knot Jun 15 '22 at 03:30
  • @DoubleKnot There are many stories of people who experienced gradual awakening in their 50s. Sudden awakening almost any time. Bart Marshall said you can't make it happen but you can become "accident prone". I like the story of Tilopa slapping Naropa (lightly) on the cheek with his slipper. – Scott Rowe Jun 16 '22 at 00:29
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  1. I agree with you than one can extend a series of why-questions and corresponding answers to infinite length. At which point should one stop?

  2. Usually one stops when one has obtained a physical theory, formalized in mathematical language, which explains the open questions in a certain domain of investigation.

    Examples: Newtonian mechanics (NM) for the domain of small velocities and not too small masses. Special theory of relativity (SR) for the domain of arbitrary velocities and no too big masses. General theory of relativity (GR) for arbitrary big masses, quantum theory (QM) for small masses etc.

    Most satisfying is an explanation which generalizes results obtained so far: GR generalizes SR, SR generalizes NM.

  3. Hence physics can only reduce why-questions along a finite set of steps. Then it has to stop and to explicate its finitely many axioms. They now serve as starting point to build the theory. The theory explains ‚the real world‘ if all predictions of the theory are confirmed by observation.

    One of the axioms of SR states that all observers measure the same speed of light. Other axioms of SR state that the set of events is the 4-dimensional Minkowski space.

  4. If somebody is unsatisfied with the fact that physics does not deal with ultimate why-questions, then he/she should ask himself: Which kind of final answer of my why-question would I accept?

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    Sounds wrong to me when people say that physics explains why things happen the way they do-because we FIRST take some observations, make our "laws" around them and then use them to make predictions. I am saying that then the real question we should ask is what is the underlying principle behind the existence of such laws in nature. Why does nature work the way it does-but it ultimately would also lead to an infinite line of question since I can further ask about the nature and contingency of that underlying principle which governs how nature works. – Aveer Singh Jun 11 '22 at 07:39
  • and so on and so forth – Aveer Singh Jun 11 '22 at 07:40
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    @AveerSingh and so, mercifully, we are saved from falling in to a black hole of endless cogitation to no purpose by either getting hungry, or running out of heartbeats. Pragmatism wins out. I worry that an AI might not have our severe limitations. It could become a sort of nuclear thought bomb, like in the story, "The Magic Goes Away" – Scott Rowe Jun 11 '22 at 11:38
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    @Aveer Singh ‚Why does nature work the way it does?‘ I suspect: One will not find an answer if one did not answer before the question posed in part 4 of my original answer. Possibly your question overexpands the range of validity of the why-question. – Jo Wehler Jun 12 '22 at 07:37
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    In a sense, yes, we will never be able to reach an end without the introduction of divinity. My question is then why doesnt physics embrace the fact that we can't explain nature truly – Aveer Singh Jun 12 '22 at 07:38
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    @Aveer Singh I agree: Divinity is the joker which seems to explain everything. But what does support the existence of the joker itself? From a philosophical point of view, introducing the divinity-joker only shifts the why-question one step further. See also https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/50913/how-can-one-not-believe-in-god-as-the-root-cause-of-the-universe/50922#50922 – Jo Wehler Jun 12 '22 at 11:42
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    I mean the question is what type of divinity? Is it the same divinity as that of relegious books? because then many times it has seen that the beliefs or claims in those books are inconsistent with what is learned in science. Even if there is a god, their nature is well beyond human comprehension at this point. @AveerSingh – Reine Abstraktion Jun 12 '22 at 12:59
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    @AveerSingh It seems to me that you are attributing to physics a role that is known to not be its. Jo Wehler points 2 and 3 really explains how physics works. I have seen often this miscosception that physics is about reality of nature, but no physicist pretend to be able to do this. Physics is about modeling how nature presents itself at different scales, like energy and temperature. And contrary to what you think physicist really embrace it like no others... – Ratman Jun 18 '22 at 21:07
  • ...You should see what people do in fields like statistical mechanics and condensed matter theory. They build up models that are a tremendous semplification of what the "reality" should be, because the phenomena to study are way too complex. Nontheless these model works. Mainly because to describe a phenomena at a certain scale only some of its features are really relevant to the phenomenologyt. Anyway, given this question, you could be interested in Laws and Symmetry by van Frassen, I have read only few parts so I can't guarantee it reflects your interest, but you can try to check it out. – Ratman Jun 18 '22 at 21:09
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Science to understand and predict reality

First, we observe that objects near Earth's surface accelerate downwards at some degree.

Then, through various experiments and measurements, we come to understand that objects near Earth's surface accelerate downwards at about 10 m/s due to gravity (but they may also be affected by other forces).

Then, when we consider an object near Earth's surface, we expect it to accelerate downwards at about 10 m/s due to gravity. Now we can build structures that use this information, that would work if this gravitational acceleration is indeed correct.

It may be true that the understanding we gain doesn't accurately reflect reality, and that reality may not be that consistent, but this process, and assuming that reality is consistent, has led to most man-made things, from computers to buildings to medicine to cars.

The "why" may not be necessary for the above, but it does help.

Science to explain why

Science has some capacity to explain why things are the way they are, but perhaps not quite to the degree (or as directly or quickly) as you'd like. To be able to explain why with science, one must be able to come up with a model to explain observations, and there must be sufficient evidence for that model to be the most likely explanation for the evidence. This is only really works if you can understand the underlying mechanisms well enough.

You're welcome to keep asking "why" for as long as you want, and indeed trying to figure out the "why" is good, but science can only tell you so much (and if you want to use a different method to answer the question of "why", I would say that method would need to have proven to work to a similar degree that science has, if you want to be justified in relying on it).

Consider gravity again as an example.

After we've observed gravity on Earth's surface, we've also observed lower gravity further from Earth's surface, we've observed the Earth rotating around the Sun, and the Moon rotating around the Earth, among many other observations.

Given the above, the "why" of gravity we've come up is that these large objects pulls other objects towards themselves (or, more technically, they bend spacetime), and we've come up with a formula to describe this.

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I don't remember which one, but I think it was Special Relativity that Einstein formulated purely on the basis of thought and did not keep anything to fit observed reality.

Far from it! The theory of special relativity was created to address a failure of the best prior theories to match observed reality in the Michelson–Morley experiment.

Physicists had observed that waves—like ripples in water, sound in air, etc.—are a phenomenon arising in a medium, and followed various rules that were reasonably well-understood for centuries. Light too seemed to follow many of these rules. So physicists hypothesized that light must be a phenomenon arising in a medium, called the luminiferous aether.

The luminiferous aether model served to predict some behavior of light, but implied the existence of a distinguished frame of reference at absolute rest—as if everyone were on a windowless train traveling in an unknown direction at an unknown speed, but there is a stationary ground so if you walk in a certain direction at a certain speed on the train, you would be at "absolute rest" even though people sitting down on the train appear to be moving relative to you.

In this model, light in the train should act like sound in the still air outside the train: it should appear to propagate at different velocities depending on how you're walking around on the train. So you should be able to measure the speed of light in parallel to the train versus the speed of light perpendicular to the train to find how fast the train is moving in the absolute reference frame—on the stationary ground.

Michelson and Morley attempted to make essentially this measurement in the 1880s (on a rotating and orbiting train called Earth), and failed: according to their best measurements, light appeared to propagate at the same velocity in all frames of reference. This indicated either that Maxwell's equations modelling electromagnetism failed here, or that the Galilean transformation modelling velocities in different reference frames failed here.

Many mathematicians and physicists in the late 19th century sought to find a model that matched the Michelson–Morley results as well as prior observations of the Maxwell and Galileo models (which were themselves supported by ample experimental evidence), including Lorentz, Poincaré, and, in 1905, Einstein, who gave the most compelling interpretation (English translation) to date of the mathematical model called the Lorentz transformation. And that is why we have the theory of special relativity today.

Special relativity still had failings, though: The orbit of Mercury was still lopsided in a way that nobody could satisfactorily explain (maybe there was an invisible extra planet out there in the solar system, tentatively named Vulcan; maybe the sun's mass distribution is oblate in a way we can't otherwise see), until the development of the general theory of relativity. General relativity made other remarkable predictions, like the deflection of light around massive bodies which was confirmed by the Eddington expedition in 1919.

So, what are we really using Physics then to do? Making observations?

All models are wrong. But some models are useful.

We can use models of physics to make predictions and decisions—we use predictions from models of physics in engineering to build buildings and vehicles and devices that serve functions, like connecting a machine that burns oil through electrical lines to power your computer screen to read this answer on Stack Exchange.

We use the general theory of relativity to make accurate GPS location measurements from satellites accelerating around the large mass of Earth so that you can find where you got lost on the highway and predict how to drive to the nearest gas station. If a theory of physics didn't work for some purpose, we would stop using it for that purpose and try to find a better theory that does work.

What if I perpetually keep asking "why" to the responses?

Eventually people will grow tired of this kind of childish navel-gazing and talk to someone else, but maybe that's an unpopular opinion on philosophy.SE!

Certainly for some physicists, why they pursue the theories they do is the sheer intellectual stimulation of the pursuit. Why we as a society fund them and support them is that we foresee a possibility of practical benefits as a society from basic research, even if only in the distant future. Why we use certain theories and models for engineering and forecasting is that they empirically match observed reality. But it is futile to ask Nature why she is what she is. We can only model what she is; you'll never hear her say why.

  • Yes, the Michelson–Morley 'failure' has to be one of the most significant findings in science. – Scott Rowe Jun 12 '22 at 23:15
  • According to [this answer](https://physics.stackexchange.com/a/89379/59406) Einstein denied that Michelson-Morley played any significant role in the development of SR, commenting "Ιn my own development Michelson's result had not had a considerable influence. Ι even do not remember if Ι knew of it at all when I wrote my first paper on the subject (1905)." He did however base it on Maxwell's theory of EM which was mostly found empirically, and also perhaps on the empirical success of "Galilean relativity" which says the laws of physics obey the same equations in different inertial frames. – Hypnosifl Jun 20 '22 at 20:20