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Please jump to the 'Edit' portion of the question, because the below portion MAY seem confusing or irrelevant.


Assuming that the control over things we have is illusory, as beautifully explained by the answer here by @stoicfury, what purpose does our consciousness serve?

The control we feel is the degree to which our predicted outcome is expected to match the inevitable outcome.

If we assume that the purpose of consciousness is to minimize the difference between the predicted outcome & inevitable outcome (as I can comprehend from the above statement in the same answer), what purpose does that serve, i.e., what gain does an experiencing entity (like us) gain from that prediction/experience, when the flow is already deterministic?

Or this can be reduced to, what is the necessity of consciousness, and what role does that play assuming no free-will?


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Quoting this from Wikipedia,

According to epiphenomenalism, mental states like Pierre's pleasurable experience—or, at any rate, their distinctive qualia—are epiphenomena; they are side-effects or by-products of physical processes in the body.

If Pierre takes a second bite, it is not caused by his pleasure from the first; If Pierre says, "That was good, so I will take another bite", his speech act is not caused by the preceding pleasure. The conscious experiences that accompany brain processes are causally impotent.

If the next conscious experience is independent of the past conscious experiences, what real help is consciousness doing?

Is it like a report console which is just to present what's before us in a subjective way, which is consequently of no use?


Update:
I just realized that this question is a formulation of the Hard problem of consciousness.

And there are responses to it, which I feel is difficult to relate to this question.

There seems to be no indication of any purpose of qualia, as my question is.

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  • Sounds like you've restricted the conditions to the point where consciousness has no real purpose, or maybe even not any real existence. However, the universe is in no way deterministic. – Daniel Goldman Dec 13 '17 at 14:54
  • @DanielGoldman Yes, I agree that my question is based on the premise that the universe is deterministic, but there is no way to prove whether the universe is deterministic or probabilistic (like how Quantum Mechanics framework is based on Quantum Indeterminacy, which in-turn is not unanimously proved). Hence your statement that `the universe is in no way deterministic` cannot be backed up fool-proof. – Gokul NC Dec 13 '17 at 15:02
  • It is not consistent with our current theories on physics, at the very least. So I guess one could reject current scientific theory and evidence. – Daniel Goldman Dec 13 '17 at 15:25
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    Determinism is [perfectly consistent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpretations_of_quantum_mechanics#Comparison_of_interpretations) with current theories. – H Walters Dec 13 '17 at 16:01
  • Yes, both are in many ways consistent with the current theories. Here, I wish to get an idea from a deterministic standpoint, for I believe non-determinism arises from randomness, which in-turn seems so due to hidden variables. – Gokul NC Dec 13 '17 at 16:12
  • @GokulNC But as I understand the question, I don't quite think it's an understanding under determinism per se that you're after; but rather, an understanding under the combined assumptions of (hard?-)determinism and epiphenomenalism. (If, for example, we simply presume consciousness arises physically, then the question of determinism seems to become irrelevant). – H Walters Dec 13 '17 at 17:01
  • @HWalters If I just were to say `consciousness arises physically`, there could be an answer to the question like `Consciousness aids in development of beings and helps in survival` (there is an answer already like that below), which contradicts the quote I've put up in the question (as a new Edit from Wikipedia). So I thought of adding determinism, eventhough I know inherently it's a redundant constraint here :) – Gokul NC Dec 14 '17 at 05:16
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    The question about the purpose of consciousness is a good one but the rest of the OP seems to just confuse the issues. –  Dec 14 '17 at 12:49
  • @PeterJ Please feel free to edit the question so it's clear, if it's not already. The rest of OP is filled so, because to limit the scope of the answer. If had not used 'determinism', they could have been normal answers like "Consciousness is fundamental to living beings, it helps in knowing the environment, helps in taking right decisions, blah blah BS". – Gokul NC Dec 14 '17 at 13:45
  • You begin by asking us to assume that consciousness is not causal and then go on to ask what is it for. Yet if it is not causal then the question is unnecessary. I feel the question could be asked in just one sentence with no explanations or assumptions, If we drop your assumptions then it may be, as is stated in one recent Christian text, that we have consciousness in order that we can interact with our environment. You ask us to assume that this is not true thus disallowing most possible answers. (I'm not sure I'm allowed to edit - I'll check). –  Dec 15 '17 at 12:50
  • Based on your question, I wonder what the purpose of determinism would be? I see no use-value for the idea. The only area left in science for it is gravitation theory, but given that we can't find dark matter the more we learn about the universe the less likely a deterministic gravitation law represents reality. – Frank Hubeny Jan 15 '18 at 20:11
  • @FrankHubeny My idea is that indeterminism in Science, like Quantum Physics, is due to that fact we don't the other variables in behind which is also responsible for each action occurring in the universe. (I'm more towards Pilot-wave theory in Quantum Physics, which is deterministic, rather than the Copenhagen interpretation, which completely doesn't take into consideration the hidden-variable theory). The same applies to gravitation theory; it because of our inability to measure dark matter & its physics, we approximate it using non-deterministic (probabilistic) methods. – Gokul NC Jan 16 '18 at 10:11
  • What I mean is there is no absolute randomness in the universe. And my question was, **having this view**, how would you explain the purpose of consciousness? Because the flow of nature is deterministic (hard-deterministic), everything is fixed, and there is no free will. All the answers here like "It aids in survival" is based on the fact that *there is free will*, which I don't want. Hope I'm clear now. (Or this can be posed as, if the premises "It aids in survival" is true and "There is no free will" are true, doesn't evolution know about it? That the nature is hard-deterministic?) – Gokul NC Jan 16 '18 at 10:18
  • I agree that there is no absolute randomness, but i also think there is no determinism or rather both of these are epiphenomena on choices made at various levels of reality. I also agree with you that answers claiming that consciousness "aids in survival" assumes that free will exists. I don't think the Bohmian pilot wave interpretation is correct, nor Many Worlds. The lack of hidden variables at the quantum level is the inverse of having too much data for a deterministic gravitational theory to exist. – Frank Hubeny Jan 16 '18 at 20:34
  • Perhaps the main purpose of consciousness is to allow us to have a wish to survive, and if so it is the necessary foundation for biological evolution. The idea that it is not causal causes problems, since in this case our desire to survive has no effect on our behaviour. Popper concludes that out beliefs determine our behaviour so for him consciousness is causal and to me it seems impossible to deny it. Darwin also believed it is causal. –  Jan 17 '18 at 12:13
  • What the question shows is that if consciousness is an illusion it must be a very deep illusion implying that even our views of evolution are delusional. Perhaps we would have to say that science itself is a mental disorder of some sort. The alternative is to view determinism as the delusion. Jonathan Haidt (The Righteous Mind) talks about the "Rationalist Delusion" which gained cultural support since the late 18th century. The idea of determinism may be part of this delusion. – Frank Hubeny Jan 18 '18 at 13:02
  • I think I recognized in my answer that you wanted rather to focus on qualia, not consciousness in the sense of comprehension. – Probably Jan 18 '18 at 21:16
  • Under determinism, the notion of purpose is lost. Everything exists for the purpose of determining the determinism. You want to make a distinction between the driving force and our experience of it, and write the experience off as redundant. But experience is just part of the driving force, not something that has a purpose. If the world is determined, 'purpose' is a delusion, and the question is senseless. That it spawns a string of other delusions like 'consciousness' is irrelevant. – hide_in_plain_sight Apr 22 '20 at 17:45
  • @GokulNC because this question popped to the main feed I became curious with it, but now that I'm thinking of answering it I see that there are 2 (actually 3) separate questions here: the first about determinism and how the concepts of consciousness (first sub-question) and meaning (second sub-question); the second about the unity of time in experience. Mind separating those questions and decide which one you're focusing on in this post? – Yechiam Weiss Apr 23 '20 at 08:19
  • @YechiamWeiss It'd be great if you could focus mostly on the first question for this post. That is basically, answering the question of `what utility does consciousness serve assuming no free-will (hard determinism)` ? Please note that it's basically like asking `Can I not design a P-Zombie atleast as successful as any conscious being?`. If yes, why evolution has favored the path towards a conscious being? – Gokul NC Apr 23 '20 at 09:27
  • @YechiamWeiss I hope that the first question I have mentioned in the previous comment is a complete question. Also, I don't understand what you mean by `unity of time in experience` in this context. Please also feel free to edit the OP if it's too confusing. :) – Gokul NC Apr 23 '20 at 09:29
  • @hide_in_plain_sight Please post your comment as answer; it's actually a good food for thought. :) – Gokul NC Apr 23 '20 at 09:53
  • @GokulNC "what utility does consciousness serve assuming no free-will" is a perfectly reasonable question. Also, imho it's not exactly the same as the question of can a pzombie be considered conscious; the first is emphasized more on the moral question where the second more on the philosophy-of-mind question. But nevertheless, note that with this as your question, it is essentially a duplicate of https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/34023/does-having-free-will-presuppose-consciousness-can-philosophical-zombies-have-i :) – Yechiam Weiss Apr 23 '20 at 11:35
  • Why does conciousness have to have a purpose in the first place ? – armand Jan 20 '21 at 00:27

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Let's start here:

If we assume that the purpose of consciousness is to minimize the difference between the predicted outcome & inevitable outcome (as I can comprehend from the above statement in the same answer), what purpose does that serve, i.e., what gain does an experiencing entity (like us) gain from that prediction/experience, when the flow is already deterministic?

I think you're confusing determinism with fatalism. Suppose I'm in a room with an oracle (call him Nostradamus), and we play a simple game. I pick a number from 1 to 10. But before I do, Nostradamus predicts what I will pick. Now since it helps define the difference, suppose Nostradamus actually tells me what his prediction is; in particular, suppose he says I pick 3.

If fatalism is true, then I basically must pick 3; the oracle predicted it, after all, so it cannot be avoided. But if determinism is true, I can easily pick 4.

This is actually easy to do. I just pick 3 if Nostradamus says I will pick any number but 3. But I pick 4 if he says I will pick 3. All we need for me to have this strange capability is determinism; I don't need free will, and indeterminism actually hampers this ability; the trick to spiting Nostradamus's prediction is to react to what his prediction is. I don't even need to be conscious; we could program Alexa to fill my role if you like.

Fatalism makes the predictions pointless, but determinism doesn't. If you can avoid a bad outcome by predicting it would happen, then reacting to the prediction, you can gain a survival advantage. Having this ability requires neither free will, nor indeterminism, nor even consciousness; simply the ability to model and react to the model. Robots can duck if rocks are thrown at them. Self driving cars can apply breaks if they predict otherwise that they will collide with an object. Nothing mysterious is required for "evitability".

So if consciousness were mechanistic, and it in part played a role of avoiding bad outcomes by predicting them and then avoiding them, it could be a survival advantage; and such would not require anything non-deterministic. Simply modeling and reacting to the model suffices.

But let's suppose consciousness is not mechanistic; instead, let's presume it's an epiphenomenon; in particular:

The conscious experiences that accompany brain processes are causally impotent.

Under this premise, let's consider this question:

Again, if the next conscious experience is independent of the past conscious experiences, what real help is consciousness doing?

Then the answer is simple. It's of no help; since consciousness is causally impotent, it plays no role in our survival.

Counterintuitively, however, this only means that consciousness does not help. It does not necessarily mean that having consciousness does not help. In particular, it could very well be the case that there are particular sorts of mechanisms that, if we had them, would grant us a big survival advantage. It could also be that those mechanisms just so happened to be such that, were they in play, they would somehow result in an epiphenomenal consciousness. Were this the case, having consciousness by means of having those mechanisms would mean we have those mechanisms. In other words, having consciousness could still correlate to having a survival advantage (because a mechanism granting us such could be a "confounding variable"), even if it does not cause it.


Update: The comments seem to confirm the conflation of determinism with fatalism, so lets dig in here. As noted in the comments, when considering Nostradamus we are adding an assumption that the oracle is possible.

Determinism versus Fatalism

Let's get to basic definitions. Determinism can be defined as the premise that every effect is the result of antecedent causes. Let's call the presumption of determinism (P1).

Now let's swap Nostradamus out for "some guy", call him Ralph. I now want to build a prediction-spiter; let's say it's the non-conscious "Alexa" device. I want to program Alexa in such a way that if Ralph says 3, Alexa says 4. If Ralphs says 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10, Alexa says 3. Now this is what I want to do, but I can't necessarily do that by assuming determinism. So I need another premise. Let's presume it's possible to program Alexa this way. Call that (P2).

Now let's explore what happens. If we take them as Ralph-says-x/Alexa-says-y tuples, the possibilities form the exhaustive set:

 S={(1,3), (2,3), (3,4), (4,3), (5,3), (6,3), (7,3), (8,3), (9,3), (10,3)}

No member of this set is such that x=y; in other words, it's not possible for Ralph to say what Alexa will say. But what's more telling here is that this is a perfectly reasonable description of an entirely deterministic universe. Every possible scenario in S follows determinism, by definition; each effect is an inevitable result of an antecedent cause. All that's happening here is that we're claiming that what Ralph says is the antecedent cause, and what Alexa says is the effect.

Now, swap Ralph back out with Nostradamus. Nothing here should change about the mechanics of the universe; the only thing that changes here is the presumption that Nostradamus can fill Ralph's role, and be an oracle. But that's not necessarily possible, so we need another premise. Let's suppose it's possible in this scenario for Nostradamus to predict what Alexa will say, and for Alexa to be unable to do anything else. Call this premise (P3).

We now have a contradiction. Suppose Nostradamus makes a prediction (P3 presumes this is possible), and call it x1. (P3) implies Alexa must say y1, such that x1=y1. That conflicts with (P2), because (P2) does not have an (x,y) where x=y in its set of possibilities.

But a contradiction doesn't tell you that a particular premise is wrong; it only tells you something is. So let's break this down:

  • {(P1),(P2),(P3)} leads to a contradiction.
  • {(P1),(P3)} would work just fine, though; if we don't assume that building Alexa like this is possible, then any Alexa we build must have an inevitable and predictable outcome (by P3, which presumes that just this is possible). However, this is insufficient to argue that (P1) leads to fatalism; we can only say that {(P1),(P3)} does.
  • {(P1),(P2)} also works fine. We already explored this. Everything about the Ralph scenario is consistent with determinism. But in regard to the suggestion that (P1) per se leads to fatalism, this is telling.

In particular, the fact that {(P1),(P2)} is a valid consideration means that determinism per se does not lead to fatalism. The argument that Nostradamus shows (P1) leads to fatalism is flawed for this reason; in particular, the flaw is that it imports fatalism itself into the premises, thus begging the question.

Note something crucial here, however. The impossibility of an oracle under determinism requires two things: (1) A spite-machine, (2) an oracle's prediction specifically being fed as an input. Were Nostradamus not to "interfere", we could always import him into a deterministic universe. Alexa's not breaking anything; Alexa's not conscious, doesn't have free will, and isn't indeterministic. If Nostradamus were an all knowledgeable calculator, it would be trivial to work out what Alexa would do. It's only if the result of that were itself an input that we can wire in contradictions. In other words, the conflict here has nothing to do with consciousness per se; or even free will; it's simply a result of effects having antecedent causes, an oracle being an antecedent cause, and the mechanism to "counter" that cause. But this description in itself is enough to import "evitability", which gives you survival advantages.

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    Quoting [this from here](https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/a/6930/29947): **`Determinism seems to imply fatalism; if you can determine all future states of the universe with the laws of nature plus the initial state of the universe, then surely the truth value of all future-tensed propositions is decided (at least, I don't see how they would fail to be in any interesting way).`**, this is how I view determinism. You're able to pick 4 even if the oracle says you'll pick 3, it's because of the **assumption** that there can be an oracle possible. – Gokul NC Dec 14 '17 at 08:25
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    Assuming that there is an oracle, and you pick 4 when oracle says 3, we have arrived at a contradiction to the statement that 'there is an oracle, which always tells the truth from future', because here, oracle's assertion that you will pick 3 has failed. So the oracle you have proposed cannot be logically existent. – Gokul NC Dec 14 '17 at 08:30
  • Aha, I was right; you're confusing determinism with fatalism. "we have arrived at a contradiction" ...exactly, but contradiction's don't prove that a particular premise you had is wrong; they only prove that _something_ is wrong. "it's because of the assumption that there can be an oracle possible" ...exactly; this is a hidden premise. That's the key. Let's assume we don't assume the oracle's possible; let's assume in particular that we don't even have an oracle... just some guy, Ralph. But play the same game; Ralph is going to predict your outcome. – H Walters Dec 14 '17 at 15:06
  • ...ported this into the answer. I realize, btw, that this is long, but I'm pretty sure this is exactly what you're asking. I think the basic issue here is that you're _assuming_ determinism must lead to fatalism, possibly by some argument that's flawed but that you don't put forward in such a way that you can find the flaw (such as "if determinism is true then in principle we can say what happens" which generally would hold, except under specific circumstances for specific reasons, which happen to be directly related to your question). – H Walters Dec 14 '17 at 17:24
  • Also, this answer's getting long already, but I anticipate I might need to cover one more thing; if we add a new Nostradamus substitute, "Socrates", and presume only that he knows the state of the universe and can work it out (which is how one might conclude fatalism from determinism per se); then there's a crucial difference between Socrates and Nostradamus. Briefly, the key difference is that Socrates would _work out_ that no matter what he says, Alexa will say something else. If you want me to add details along those lines let me know. – H Walters Dec 14 '17 at 17:44
  • OK, I get it now. From the beginning, by determinism, I was implicitly meaning *hard-determinism*, sorry for not realizing that. And obviously, that is why it seemed like I'm conflating it with fatalism. || `determinism per se doesnt lead to fatalism`<-- This is true only under this: `but I can't necessarily do that by assuming determinism. So I need another premise P2.`, so basically, if P2 is false, your conclusion can't be derived. || `In other words, the conflict here has nothing to do with consciousness per se; or even free will` Yes, I accept that it has nothing to do with the question. – Gokul NC Dec 15 '17 at 14:19
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    I thought adding hard-determinism would make one to easily realize this statement: `The conscious experiences that accompany brain processes are causally impotent.` And so, my ultimate question is this: *"if the next conscious experience is independent of the past conscious experiences, what real help is consciousness doing?"* || `since consciousness is causally impotent, it plays no role in our survival.` So can this mean evolution is flawed? Or can it mean epiphenomenalism is flawed(which in a way can mean hard-determinism is flawed)? Or can they both be compatible in some way? – Gokul NC Dec 15 '17 at 14:29
  • `It does not necessarily mean that having consciousness does not help` Okay, so do you mean, "for survival (let's call it outcome-A), we need a mechanism say X, which inevitably gives rise to another outcome B, which is nothing but consciousness"? That's completely acceptable! But ultimately outcome-B doesn't matter because we need outcome-A somehow, and hence eventhough consciousness doesn't play any vital role, it is indirectly useful because of the intermediate mechanism-X which provides a desired outcome? – Gokul NC Dec 15 '17 at 14:38
  • Yes; I would recommend side-stepping philosophy for a brief moment to look at the concept of [confounders](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confounding) from statistics. – H Walters Dec 17 '17 at 06:14
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My account is from continental philosophy viewpoint, specifically, Sartrian existentialism.

the next conscious experience is independent of the past conscious experiences

This looks true. But the previous conscious experience is dependent on the "next", the expected. If we remember the preceeding/past experience and it has meaning, this is because we are projecting ourselves into future. It is the possible our future (which we are by the mode of nonbeing) that attaches meaning (and hence articulatedness) to the past. I.e. past is pending on future; it is but due to future that an experience becomes past. And that is thanks to consciousness.

The future is not dependent on the past, for consciousness, because consciousness is free. However, possibilities (the future) that we will discover or discern shall emerge on the ground of the past: it is conditioning, not determination (a condition is a passive limitation).

So, time arises as temporalization where future precedes past, and between the two there is the absolute link-division in the form of Nothing. And here is where consciousness is found. While the naive (psychical, physical, common sense) time operates on "mental" objects exactly the way it does with "external" objects; and here is no room for consciousness.

For, indeed, there is no anything in consciousness; it is void of content. So called "thoughts" have nothing to do with consciousness proper - they are objects in the world, only irreal ones. Consciousness is empty activity and its only function is the flight from facticity to some own possibility, existing by the mode of non-being. (Roughly saying it, the run from a stagnant to a meaningful.) This what Sartre calls the project and other somewhat close words to it are intention, prereflective conception, temptation.

If Pierre takes a second bite, it is not caused by his pleasure from the first; If Pierre says, "That was good, so I will take another bite"

is because Pierre currently is in the project of eating that specific meal (and ultimately, because the meal and eating of it is the outline [of qualia] of Being for Pierre), and so any sensation he gets from bites will be interpreted as good, - until he suddenly "stumbles" in this his world stream and falls out from the project to some other one freely chosen by his consciousness among several emerged possibilities.

The control we feel is the degree to which our predicted outcome is expected to match the inevitable outcome

Consciousness (or "for-itself") cannot support contact with Being (or "in-itself") with its (the Being) characteristics of "determined", "inevitable", "contingent", "random". Consciousness flights away from these towards own possibilities. (To escape the fear of falling from the rock I change it to angst of getting in consent with my falling or even jumping from the rock.) So there can never be inevitable outcomes for consciousness to match with. Inevitable (as well as objectivistically probable) things can be for science. But science is our "thoughts", i.e. it is a collection of objects of the world - real or modeled - which can appear only in front of (or for) consciousness and not inside it. But to be an object for a consciousness (i.e. to be positioned by it) means the flight of the consciousness away from being that object towards own possibility about (concerning) the object. Thus, the citation above appears an inadequate merging of not mergeable matters.

An important notion should be that Consciousness and Being (transcendent reality) are two abstractions that do not preexist their fundamental relation (the "flight"); rather, the relation preexists as primordial synthesis. There is Being (pure facticity out of meaning, causations, time) and there is ceaseless accident of dispersion or cracking of it whereby it is negated (the result of what is the constitution of world), the accident we call "consciousness".

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  • The last part sounds exactly like *Judgement and Being* by Hölderlin (1795). Is that really Sartrian still? I'm not too deep into Sartre, but from what I know, this does not really sound like him, does it? – Philip Klöcking Dec 17 '17 at 13:46
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    @Philip, I'm not deep into Sartre myself, I claim. If your comment is about my last paragraph, it is the impression which, I remember, left in me from Being and Nothingness, 1.1.1. "Question", - there Sartre directly refers to the primordial concrete synthesis as Heidegger's "being-in-the-world" as the primary ontologic givennes. Sartre borrowed this initial idea from Heidegger (as "human-reality") who influenced him much. And we know, too, that Hölderlin was Heidegger's haunt throughout his philosophical activity. – ttnphns Dec 17 '17 at 14:28
  • (cont.) If you want to point me concretely where and how I sound not like Sartre (which is possible!) please do it. – ttnphns Dec 17 '17 at 14:32
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    Nah, I do not want to doubt anything you said, the striking resemblance basically just made me curious. Thanks for pointing me to the corresponding chapter, will read it up (in my next life, when I got time on my hands again). Heidegger as a link sounds possible, although I am not too sure regarding the availability of Hölderlin's fragment at the time. Cheers! – Philip Klöcking Dec 17 '17 at 14:36
  • @Philip, it is possible that Heidegger felt the kinship and affinity with the poet before the paper Judgement and Being (btw I haven't known of it) was available, and he transferred the piece of mind to Sartre. – ttnphns Dec 17 '17 at 14:42
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what purpose does [consciousness] serve

It aids survival

when the flow is already deterministic?

That's irrelevant if the conscious entity cannot fully determine the next state. It may be relevant for a hypothetical, supernatural being but that's not at question here.

if the next conscious experience is independent of the past conscious experiences

They're not in any being that we know to be conscious. If you start to define consciousness as having properties that definitely don't apply to consciousness then you're best to just make up a new word and define, explicitly, its properties.

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    `It aids survival` But as I said in the question, assuming that there is no universal free-will, and `The conscious experiences that accompany brain processes are causally impotent`, how does consciousness help in survival? Here, I wish to distinguish between consciousness and physical experience. I can agree to the fact that *`Physical experiences aid in survival`*, but consciousness is something subjective which we perceive as stimulus to the [physical](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicalism#Definition_of_physical) experiences, it maybe neurological or whatever. – Gokul NC Dec 13 '17 at 16:09
  • Also, here by consciousness, I refer something like Qualia. – Gokul NC Dec 13 '17 at 16:09
  • @GokulNC freewill is irrelevant here because whether or not you perceive a choice is independent to whether or not you have a choice at a fundamental level. And usually, survival choice is an evolutionary trait present in any species that has hung around for more than a few generations. Consciousness is a survival tool above instinct because it provides the ability to plan based on our perceptions as well as our experiences. – Alex Dec 13 '17 at 17:18
  • If you view consciousness as an emergent trait of the complex human brain, then you also have to accept that it is a necessary trait of the complex human brain. In other words, you couldn't have evolved the same brain with the same features, and not have consciousness (one of the reasons 'p-zombies' are an incoherent concept). The 'purpose' of consciousness is the same as the 'purpose' of life; it just _is_ because of the nature of things. – Ask About Monica Dec 13 '17 at 18:57
  • @kbelder it's tautological to say that the same brain with the same features couldn't evolve without consciousness because one of the features of the human brain is consciousness. If you're arguing that a complex brain can't evolve without consciousness then I'd argue that evidence isn't on your side. Just because there's no deep purpose for our existence doesn't mean we didn't evolve features that prolong it. – Alex Dec 14 '17 at 09:32
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    @Alex `it provides the ability to plan based on our perceptions as well as our experiences.` No, if you had read my last quote in the question, you wouldn't have said like that :) || @kbelder `it just is because of the nature of things.` Yeah, all questions can be answered like this, but here I am trying to find if there's any explanation to it, not to merely accept its presence :) – Gokul NC Dec 14 '17 at 13:51
  • @GokulNC I would have said it like that. That quote may or may not be applicable to an argument about what consciousness *is*. I personally think it has no basis but that's not relevant here. It is not applicable to the question of what consciousness is *for*. It is absolutely the case that our consciousness adds to our instincts and experiences when it comes to planning and motivation. As such it has evolutionary value. – Alex Dec 14 '17 at 15:32
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Intentionality or purposiveness is an aspect of consciousness and this is not controversial.

To ask what the purpose of consciousness is a different question from this and it means asking larger questions about the place of consciousness in world or cosmos. Here are two possibilities:

For evolutionary biology, consciousness is an adaptation that helps ensure our survival as a species. Although this can be phrased in terms of purpose and intention, a close analysis of the terms shows that neither purpose or intention obtains here. For example, there is no such thing as a 'selfish gene'. They are purely technical terms that helps explain the mechanics of evolution and natural selection.

Hegel in his Phenomenology of Spirit, said that the purpose of consciousness was for the universe to come to know itself.

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A possible answer to the question regarding the purpose of consciousness can be found in Bergson's Creative Evolution. It is only a possible one.

Also, you may have a look at : https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/consciousness/#FunQueWhyDoeConExi

Bergson's reasoning is as follows :

(1) In automatic action , consciousness is absent.

(2) But consciousness reappears when automatism fails.

(3) When automatism fails, we have to act after a choice.

(4) So, the function of consciousness must be to give us the ability to act intelligently , freely, that is to perform deliberate actions.

(5) The function of consciousness is not to provide us with knowledge, it is a not a theoretical/ function; rather, consciousness has a practical function. Consciousness is a product of life ( at least , in one of the possible directions life has followed, the other being the instinctive life direction represented paradigmatically by instects).

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Everyone is ignoring or writing off the directly implied premise of determinism (implicit in the posited framing epiphenomenalism) which means they are all answering a different question from the one that is asked.

Under determinism, the notion of purpose is lost. Everything exists for the purpose of determining the determinism. And that is already determined. So any existing purpose is already served perfectly, but it is served due to the nature of the universe, and not on purpose.

The question presumes the opposite is possible. It makes a distinction between the driving force of the deterministic process, and our experience of it, and writes the experience off as redundant. But experiences, like everything else, are just part of the driving force, not something that can have a separate purpose. Nothing can.

And 'being determined by everything in the universe' does not constitute a purpose, either. Something serves a purpose because it causes something to come to pass, meaning that coming to pass needs a cause, and it might not happen. Under determinism, either the possibility of causing or the possibility of not happening is a delusion. So if the world is determined, 'purpose' is a delusion.

That it spawns a string of other delusions like 'consciousness' is irrelevant. Deducing assertions about meaningless categories renders the question senseless. You have either accepted determinism and ruled out purposes, or you have not. But if you have, you cannot then expect consciousness to have a purpose.

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