What is the rigorous definition of free will? There has been, and will continue to be, a lot of debate around free will. These debates seem to go nowhere, and that is because (so I think, anyway) there is no definition of free will that all participants agree to. I have once read that free will is "the ability to make decisions", but of course that raises the question what the ability to make decisions means. So, my question is, has any philosopher defined free will in a rigorous way?
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3On the academic level, the debate about free will has (as of many years ago) bifurcated between its metaphysical and metaethical aspects. There are resilient intuitions to the effect that moral responsibility can obtain even without a concrete "ability to do otherwise"/"alternative possibilities" (see e.g. the work of Harry Frankfurt), so either we go on to try to undermine appeals to such intuitions generally, show a contradiction in our intuitions here in particular, or something else. Of course, there are also formal ideas about practical reasoning that support other contentions. – Kristian Berry Jul 10 '23 at 23:11
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1But so the concrete multipossibilism thesis is one "rigorous" definition; Frankfurt's hierarchical/mesh picture is another; and so on and on. And we also might wonder what a rigorous definition of rigor itself is; at any rate, conceptual analysis, whatever its value, is not valuable enough by itself, "just like that," to do the required work, here. – Kristian Berry Jul 10 '23 at 23:12
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@KristianBerry, bravo! Hit the bullseye there. Where I live there are, how do I say this now?, *interesting* folk. Anyway, as far as I can tell, we maybe able to translate the meaning of free will into relatable everyday, mundane, scenarios. – Agent Smith Jul 11 '23 at 09:29
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The general problem is that we know intuitively what free well is, though as of right now we still don't seem to have a clue how it works.
And without an understanding how it works we have a hard time fitting our intuition into words. Like free will is what you experience everyday of your waking life, it's the ability to make decisions by yourself. Any kind of action that is not instinctive, would be the result of free will.
At the same time our models of explaining how the world works rest upon the axiom of "cause and effect" and the idea of physicalism. And if we presuppose that everything is physical and that all physical things follow relations of cause and effect then free will creates a problem.
Because either it's an effect without a cause and thus potentially super-natural (outside and above the physical reality) or it's an illusion, we wouldn't have agency and only react but never act ourselves.
Now the supernatural is rather unwieldy, so people usually stick with the deterministic idea and either reject free will altogether, which is kinda problematic as it kinda puts pure reason over empiricism. Like we trust our models of reality more than we trust our own perception, which also is the foundation of these models... Or they try to define free will within the context of determinism so as something that is somehow compatible with it or that is emergent from a deterministic world.
Again we have not the faintest clue how such a phenomenon could emerge from determinism or how it would do that if it could. Our understandings of consciousness and agency are still very limited.
You of course can draw lines and that has and is being done, but usually these lines aren't really permanent or fixed. Like you can argue "free will makes people unpredictable". Sure. But so does randomness and you can have randomness without agency.
Likewise you can argue with the "freeness" of the will and interpret it to be "without constraints". "So if you're not in chains, you're free, right?". Well how about putting a gun to your head or showing you a picture of a loved one being in danger to coerce you. That is not so much a physical "coercion", as it is a "message". Like if you were to reorganize the pixels of the picture to keep the physical energy spectrum the same you'd have a very different reaction to it (it would just be gibberish) despite being the same in most aspects.
So is that nature pushing a button or is it you making a decision about a scenario presented by nature.
Even in a scenario of external coercion up to fatal consequences you could still "choose" to resist. People are able to subject themselves willingly to situations that are embarrassing, painful or even fatal. So the idea of us following a path of least resistance isn't necessarily true or at least it's not a path that we would consider obvious.
And even if you're in a scenario without options to chose from (unfree in your choice) you're still wandering around in your brain making internal choices. So a predictable outcome is not necessarily an absence of free will.
Yet even if you draw the line there, you could argue that your thinking is limited by your perception that your thoughts are fed to you by your subconsciousness, that you don't control your emotions but that your emotions control you (which is sometimes true, sometimes false and sometimes a mix of both).
So it's not that you can't come up with a definition of free will, but unless we find out how it works, setting one up and tearing it down will not necessarily result in the satisfying conclusion that you think it would.
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The best definition I have found is that free will is the operation of agent causality, as detailed in this blog post from the Information Philosopher Bob Doyle: https://www.informationphilosopher.com/freedom/agent-causality.html
The key point is that agents do not act due to event causation, or randomness, but instead thru a different type of causal process. Free will is the term for the process of agent causation.
The development of a coherent idea of agent causation is a currently active project in philosophy. One such thinker is Helen Stewart, whose Metaphysics of Freedom is reviewed here: https://philosophynow.org/issues/105/A_Metaphysics_For_Freedom_by_Helen_Steward
I am not convinced that either Bob Doyle or Helen Stewart have cracked the definitional nut of Free Will, as I think that their approach will run afoul of repeated iteration of the Munchausen Trilemma. However, the rivals to Libertarian Free Will also suffer from definitional problems (even causation can handle more iterations of Munchausen than agency can, but event causation also appears to be fundamentally incoherent too, per our usual logic), or from science refutation (physics is not deterministic, so nothing is determined: Deterministic or stochastic universe?).
We now know that there are infinite logics that can be constructed. The problems formulating Libertarian Free Will using our standard logic, would suggest that we may need to explore further the space of alternative logics, to determine if Libertarian Free Will holds up better in a different logic framework, which can then also be evaluated against other aspects of our world to establish its general utility.
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Why do people propose Determinism if Physics isn't deterministic? Seems like someone didn't get the memo. – Scott Rowe Jul 11 '23 at 10:17
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1@ScottRowe Einstein admitted in his case it was motivated reasoning — he really wanted the world to be determined. – Dcleve Jul 11 '23 at 15:29
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My PC is completely deterministic, yet all this amazing stuff comes out of it. Heck, my pencil is a friggin genius! This whole argument seems to founder on some kind of missing idea... I wonder why Einstein was so enamored of determinism? – Scott Rowe Jul 11 '23 at 16:21
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@ScottRowe: Many Worlds interpretation is deterministic, just not over a single timeline. – CriglCragl Jul 12 '23 at 19:00
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I'd say the Halting Problem & Godel Incompleteness are the more relevant challenges to make an account for what minds do the computers don't, not Munchausen's Trilemma which is about sources of (foundational) justification – CriglCragl Jul 12 '23 at 19:02
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@CriglCragl -- I am using the Trilemma very "loosly" here, it is probably not the right term, but is the metaphor I use for a questioning process. I try to apply the questioning implicit in the trilemma to claims, and "causation" is not explicitly definable. The last clear definition we had was the mechanistic "pushing" one used by Leibnitz and Descartes, and refuted by Newton (plus fluids, gases, and light, all of which interpenetrate and superimpose). If you have a better term for this successive coherence/questioning process, I would appreciate a suggestion. – Dcleve Jul 15 '23 at 14:57
My definition is based on the opposition: free from whom? Absence of free will would mean that someone possesses ability to predict and/or influence our decisions. Impossibility of such a prediction is what I call free will.
Definitions are not cut in stone
Building an argument on clear definitions is good in mathematics or logic, but this is not how the real world works. Indeed, school teachers, University courses and even popular culture teach us to stick to clear definitions - the goal is to teach abstract thinking, and developing a logical argument. What is however forgotten, is that while clear definitions are necessary for making a clear argument, they are by no means universal or correct in any way - it is just with different definitions one may get to a very different conclusion about a different matter.
A classical example is special relativity: the math predicting the contraction of time and space was known well before Einstein, and many people as intelligent as him, tried to use deeper and deeper logical reasoning to explain the contradictions between these conclusions (following from the study of electromagnetism) and the classical mechanics. Einstein's achievement was in thinking out of the box, and questioning the very notions that seemed to be very clearly defined - those of space and time. Once the definitions were adjusted, everything easily fell in place - to the extent that special relativity is taught to high schoolers.
Likewise, the problem of free will is very much in understanding what it really means - i.e., in properly defining it.
Determinism vs. predictability
My approach to free will is admittedly that of a scientist: what matters/exists is what we know, what we can test, experience, and otherwise perceive. Any supernatural reality, that is not accessible to humans, and therefore cannot be studied does not exist for any practical purposes.
Thus, to the best of our knowledge the world is deterministic. This means, that, as far as we concerned, it is deterministic. Predicting someone's behavior requires knowledge and computational ability that are not available to humans, which means that such prediction is not possible - hence, we possess free will.
See also my answer to Determinism vs. prediction.
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Of course anyone can *influence* your decisions by giving you reasons to act in a certain way. But no-one but you can actually *make* your decisions. Free will is free from the wills of others. – Pertti Ruismäki Jul 11 '23 at 06:38
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Reading your idea of "free will" strictly means that free will can not exist as it contradicts observations anyone can readily make in their every day life. People are predictable and influenceable. There are entire industries that only exist because of that. – Cubic Jul 11 '23 at 07:06
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@Cubic Publicity and propaganda make no way of making you make this or that decision - it always remains your own. Saying that you were influenced by propaganda is but a poor attempt to abrogate your own responsibility for your bad decisions. Likewise, *predictability* that you mean is only statistical. – Roger Vadim Jul 11 '23 at 07:43
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@PerttiRuismäki No, you only *try* to influence my decisions - but I am free to ignore you completely. – Roger Vadim Jul 11 '23 at 07:55
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@RogerVadim Yes, you are free to ignore me, but simply asking you a question forces you to decide whether to ignore me or answer. – Pertti Ruismäki Jul 11 '23 at 12:50
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If you remove the last sentence of your answer, then it seems the natural conclusion to what you said would be that we **don't** possess free will. It's only there that you introduced prediction, but one might otherwise have supposed that determinism implies predictability (at least theoretically, whether we currently have the technology to predict that or not.) – NotThatGuy Jul 11 '23 at 13:02
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If we develop a sufficient understanding of the brain to perfectly predict your actions, would that mean you'd stop having free will, or would you never have had free will? If someone can perfectly predict your actions, but they're locked in a bunker and can't influence your decisions, would you have free will? If a company can relatively-well predict whether you'd respond to an ad and uses that to influence your behaviour, do you have free will? – NotThatGuy Jul 11 '23 at 13:04
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@NotThatGuy regarding the physical limitations of prediction, see the answer to another question linked. Regarding the company predictions, see my answer to the comment by at_Cubic above. – Roger Vadim Jul 11 '23 at 13:34
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@NotThatGuy do people lose their free will when you put a gun to their head and force them to comply? Or do they *choose* to comply in a situation, where they do not have much of a choice anyway? – Roger Vadim Jul 11 '23 at 13:39
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@RogerVadim Well, I don't think free will as a concept makes any sense to begin with. But that's probably a good question for you to answer, given your proposed definition. Also, it seems like someone acting randomly would meet your definition of free will, which probably isn't ideal. – NotThatGuy Jul 11 '23 at 14:05
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2@NotThatGuy great points! Free will does mean *acting randomly*, as opposed to acting in a predictable way (as they teach in information science - all meaningful signals are random signsls. A predictable signal carries no information.) In this sense companies or ads influencing people or predicting their behavior does not mean that they stop people from acting randomly, but only modify the probabilities. – Roger Vadim Jul 11 '23 at 14:18
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Our world is not deterministic. Heisenberg uncertainty prevents that. As does QM. The timing of a decay, and the vector of its products is stochiometric. The intersection of that vector with a chromosome is therefore not deterministic, nor is any cancerous consequence. Indeterminacy leverages up as a minimum to the level of organisms. – Dcleve Jul 11 '23 at 18:41
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@Dcleve I covered QM in the answer to another question, linked above. Any randomness in chromosome behavior is covered by statistical mechanics (also discussed in the answer linked.) – Roger Vadim Jul 11 '23 at 18:47
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@RogerVadim — that prior answer is also incorrect. It is not a computational limit that prohibits gas particulate modeling, it is that the HUP makes all gas particle interactions themselves unpredictable in principle. And the Schroedinger equation is a probability envelope. ITS determinism still does not allow a deterministic prediction of timing or vector of a decay. – Dcleve Jul 11 '23 at 18:56
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@RogerVadim This is just applying falsification testing to your answers. – Dcleve Jul 11 '23 at 19:51
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@Dcleve it is not clear what you are trying to do. But I do have expertise in physics. – Roger Vadim Jul 11 '23 at 20:45
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@RogerVadim Acting randomly wouldn't match the colloquial understanding of free will, as randomness may be "free", but it isn't "will". If you're acting randomly, then you aren't acting in line with your desires and goals and reasoned thoughts. Your actions would be arbitrary. A lack of predictability may be a necessary condition of free will, but it isn't a sufficient condition. (By "random" I mean truly random: lacking any pattern, conditions or causal determination, whether known or not, whereas I'm not sure whether you mean that, or just unpredictable.) – NotThatGuy Jul 12 '23 at 12:32
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@NotThatGuy I specified in my comment what I mean by *random* - it is what you call *unpredictable*. Taking again the analogy with a random signal - when you listen to a radio, you don't know what word/sentence is going to come out next, and this is why you obtain information. If you indeed knew in advance what you are going to hear, there would be no point listening - you wouldn't learn anything new from it. What you call *randomness* (and what is meant colloquially) is is a specific type of probability distribution - when all the options are equal and uncorrelated. – Roger Vadim Jul 12 '23 at 12:38
Emergent Moral Agency - The Concept of Human Will arising in the Context of Natural Cause
Due to circumstances beyond my control I am the master of my fate and the captain of my soul. - Original Source Unknown
Will - Legal Philosophy Professor Hugh Gibbons
In Spring 1991 I took Legal Philosophy with Professor Hugh Gibbons. He avoids using the words "free will" and prefers to use the word "will".
http://www.biologyoflaw.org/Downloads/index.htm
Justifying Law: An Explanation of the Deep Structure of American Law (116 page pdf)
Justifying Law - Page 7
There is no point, however, in explaining that which is unclear (law) in terms of something equally unclear (will), so I must explain what I mean by will.
Will refers to your experience of yourself as the cause of what happens to you.
Law is based upon the experience of each person that he is the cause of his actions and ideas. Whether or not that is true in any ultimate sense is irrelevant and probably unknowable. It is clear, however, that one's experience of himself as a subject can be eliminated by the will of another. That is the subject of law.
Law is, then, about liberty, not about freedom. A person is at liberty to the extent that he is free from the sensible constraints of others. It may well be that much or all of our lives emerges from the working out of imperatives in our genes and the playing out of past experiences. This causes the advocates of freedom a problem, but it presents no difficulty for liberty. Liberty simply requires that the particular cauldron of genes and experiences that is each one of us - if that is what we are - not constrain, as a result of our intentions, the will of others.
I cannot find the exact reference. I thought Gibbons defines will (somewhere in the text or footnotes of the above reference) in terms of an I-statement: I am the cause of desired perceptions.
The will of Hugh Gibbons, and the ego of Sigmund Freud, can both map to a human recognized source of cause. Gibbons describes will as the experience of self as the sole cause of desired perceptions. He maps other sources of cause to (1) unwilled constraints; and (2) willed constraints. Constraints limit or interfere with the effort of the will to be the cause of desired perceptions.
Gibbon's analysis of will, willed constraints, and unwilled constraints avoids the problems of defining freedom or free will but evokes both folk psychology and the simplified concept taken from perception control theory (PCT).
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1"Whether or not [each person is the cause of their actions and ideas] is true in any ultimate sense" (what he calls "irrelevant") is what the entire discussion of free will revolves around. – NotThatGuy Jul 12 '23 at 12:00
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@NotThatGuy - Agreed. Many philosophers discuss concepts that are irrelevant in the applied context of folk psychology and that are probably unknowable as true or false in any ultimate sense. Human will generates satisfaction or frustration in the context of that discussion! In the context of law and moral judgment we assume the human agent has an active effective will unless there is evidence to the contrary. The philosophical naval gazing is irrelevant in the context of folk psychology! – SystemTheory Jul 12 '23 at 16:34
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On the contrary, whether we're fully a product of our environment is a crucial question for determining how to engage with others. If true, it makes a much stronger case for [consequentialism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequentialism), as other people will inevitably respond a certain way depending on your actions, and that's the only variable you can control (incitement is already a charge roughly of this effect). It also destroys the idea of punishment in the legal system (which I would think someone who teaches legal philosophy would be the first to mention). – NotThatGuy Jul 12 '23 at 17:09
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1@NotThatGuy - Weight of evidence suggests that we evolved to perceive sources of moral cause automatically arising as the product of an unconscious process. See Hermann von Helmholtz: Theory of Unconscious Inference. In the same way that we learn to automatically perceive the relative size and speed of objects in 3D space we learn to automatically perceive self and others as willed agents or what I call sources of moral cause. We may look for contradictory evidence. If a driver has a heart attack with no warning moral cause morphs to natural event. We pass moral judgment on willed actions. – SystemTheory Jul 12 '23 at 18:27
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@NotThatGuy If we can't help thinking and doing what we do, we might as well stop worrying about it and just do what we were going to do. The whole debate undermines itself: who decided to start arguing about it? Well, they chose to do that. Otherwise, we would be like ants and it wouldn't occur to us to discuss the issue. – Scott Rowe Jul 13 '23 at 02:35
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@ScottRowe It wouldn't make sense to not care about your (current) actions because they may be deterministic, because this supposes that you could step outside of determinism to judge whether determinism matters. In any case, your actions still have consequences, and you can still choose and change what you do, even if how you do that has been predetermined. It's a more significant consideration when judging the actions of others, or your past or future actions, where this catch-22 wouldn't apply. – NotThatGuy Jul 13 '23 at 10:27
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@NotThatGuy I'm not following. If no one can do otherwise in the moment, then no one can alter or choose what they think or do or how they react. All of existence cannot be other than what it was up to now and will be next. So we can't even decide to stop arguing about it, we already are ants. – Scott Rowe Jul 13 '23 at 10:37
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@ScottRowe You may be conflating determinism with (what I'd consider) predestination. Say you go to a restaurant. Predestination means you're going to get spaghetti and meatballs no matter what and there's nothing you can do about it. Determinism means you can pick whatever you want from the menu, but regardless of what you pick, they've already somehow prepared that dish and only that dish for you. – NotThatGuy Jul 13 '23 at 11:24
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@ScottRowe But after looking at the menu and considering the options, you may end up wanting something different from what you wanted when you walked in. – NotThatGuy Jul 13 '23 at 15:10
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@ScottRowe The outcome changes based on your thoughts. How do your thoughts not matter? – NotThatGuy Jul 14 '23 at 01:17
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@ScottRowe I think you may just need to reflect on this some more (and especially try to think of it less linearly). I've explained it about as well as I can. – NotThatGuy Jul 15 '23 at 00:26
Free will has many definitions, none of which is universally accepted. You could say that the millennia long debate around free will is all about the definition. Once you have selected your definition, there is no longer any debate whether free will is real or imaginary.
Another problem is that there are some illogical and incomplete definitions going around. An example of an illogical definition is "the ability to have done otherwise than you just did". Incomplete definitions leave the question of reality vs. imaginary open, subject to debate. In other words, they don't actually define free will at all.
"The ability to make decisions" is the best one in my opinion. It makes most sense, leaves nothing unclear, gives the name free will to an ability we do have. No doubt, no more debate.
A decision is a "deliberately selected course of action". "Deliberately" means "for a purpose", "selected" means "picked one out of multiple alternatives", "course of action" means a controlled sequence of muscle moves.
In other words, free will is the ability to act for your own purposes (=goals in the future) instead of just reacting to past causes.
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