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This is from Bartók's Mikrokosmos, piece number 44.

Bartok 44's measures 9-11

I must have come across this a long time ago and didn't understand it, so I crossed it off. 4 years down the line and I still don't get it.

What is this key signature? It doesn't correspond to anything I know? Am I missing something?

Elements in Space
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  • What time signature? Did you mean "key signature"? There isn't any "rule" that says music *must* be written with a time signature - some 20th century composers have probably never used one in their whole lives, after they left music college. –  Jul 17 '17 at 16:57
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    You can find more unconventional key signatures in Ligeti's Piano etudes, for instance. – Karlo Jul 17 '17 at 17:22
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    It's a good question. Why anyone, particularly good musicians, would choose to do this escapes me, and when they do, they surely are responsible for giving a reasoned explanation. Perhaps they're bucking the trend, but without rationale, it seems pretty pointless – Tim Jul 17 '17 at 18:53

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Normally you might expect a C# along with the F# and G# in the key signature. But there's no C# in the key signature because there's no C# in the (student's part of the) piece! The only F#s and G#s in the right hand are those at the bottom of the treble clef. Yes, traditionally the #s in the key signature should be at the top of the clef, but Bartok (and I as a child) thought it unnecessary to have a # on the top line when there is no high F in the whole piece!!

It's easier for a beginner to look at the music and understand, "Everything in THAT space will be sharp and everything on THAT line will be sharp" than to say, "Everything in THAT space will be sharp because there's a sharp-sign on a line an octave higher with the same name and THAT has a sharp on it, and everything on THAT line will..."

Learning the normal positioning of key signatures can come later.

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    Anyone who takes the trouble to actually look at the original music can see that this answer is correct and the accepted answer is wrong. – PiedPiper Jun 11 '22 at 08:22
  • @OldBrixtonian, I tried to find the whole score but couldn't--can you share a link, or a reference describing that Bartok thought it silly to show key signature accidentals that don't appear in a part? I am inclined to trust what you say, but prima facie, two different key signatures are printed on the paper, which I think shifts the burden of proof. Again, I'm inclined to think you're right, but what you describe isn't the norm when two different key signatures are shown. – jdjazz Jun 11 '22 at 14:44
  • @PiedPiper, if you have access to the full score, can you please share a link? – jdjazz Jun 11 '22 at 15:07
  • @jdjazz I only have the original paper version, and afaik it's still under copyright. – PiedPiper Jun 11 '22 at 15:23
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    @jdjazz: Sorry for the delay! It's [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K44mcMjH2GE&t=319s) on YouTube at 5'20". – Old Brixtonian Jun 12 '22 at 17:30
  • @jdjazz: ...and I've changed the word _daft_ to _unnecessary_ in my answer. – Old Brixtonian Jun 12 '22 at 17:35
  • @jdjazz: BTW, the key signature of no. 10 is an Ab. Bartok's helpful note about the piece says, "The signature is Ab." I shouldn't think the musicians whose tunes Bartok transcribed knew the conventions of classical music. They may not have thought of a tune as being in a key. – Old Brixtonian Jun 12 '22 at 17:42
  • If you were transcribing a folk tune that used only the notes DEGAB, would you give it a G major key signature? Or would you say that the rules of art-music didn't apply here? A sharp-sign perched on the top line, way above the actual melody, would seem (not daft!) UNNECESSARY :-) What if the range of the bagpipe playing the tune didn't include an F of ANY kind? – Old Brixtonian Jun 12 '22 at 17:47
  • Bartok wrote Mikrokosmos to help his young son learn the piano. He - Peter - said later that sometimes, when his father put the latest piece in front of him, the ink would be barely dry. Perhaps his father found it easier to explain a key signature when its sharps or flats were on the same _'latitude'_ as the notes they affected. I mean, as you teach your child to read, you learn **how** to teach it to read. – Old Brixtonian Jun 13 '22 at 12:23
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Bartok was very fond of using folk melodies in his pieces, and I would suspect this is one of them.

There are countless examples of Eastern European melodies that don't fit the Western classical mould of an orderly increasing number of sharps and flats in regimented positions working out from C major. F# G# is, for example, a perfectly common Macedonian tune key signature when the melody is transcribed into Western notation; the notation is, after all, a closest approximation of the actual scale of the melody possible within the rules of Western standard notation, whilst the melody may actually include notes that tuning-wise fall outside the rules of equal temperament.

Many English folk tunes were 'corrected' by classically trained musicians because they approached the material from the intellectual standpoint that an 'illiterate peasant' couldn't possibly have devised a melody that was in a complex mode or harmonic structure. But it was the classically trained musician who was being ignorant there, not the source singer ...

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Bitonality refers to the use of two different key signatures at the same time. Bartok was known to use bitonality, and from the image you've attached, this exercise appears to utilize bitonality. The first system (the one on top that is fully visible in your image) appears to be in A melodic minor. The melodic minor scale uses a ♮6 and a ♮7 rather than a flatted 6 and 7:

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In more traditional classical music contexts, A melodic minor strictly applies to the ascending form of the scale. Whenever the scale is used in a descending fashion, one would use A natural minor scale (♭6 and ♭7):

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Accordingly, more traditional pieces would notate this key signature with no sharps and flats, thereby indicating the key signature of A natural minor. Then, whenever an ascending form of the scale was used, sharps would be written in front of the F and G, thus achieving the melodic minor.

Bartok, however, is breaking from this more traditional approach. He is notating the song as A melodic minor rather than A natural minor, and in the bit of the song that your image shows, he is not using the natural minor scale at all. Moreover, the second system (which is only partially shown) appears to be in an altogether different key (perhaps E maj or C♯ min), which is yet another departure from more traditional music. These deviations are intentional, and so is the non-standard notation. Once, when talking about a different of his bitonal songs, Bartok said this:

this half-serious, half-jesting procedure was used to demonstrate the absurdity of key signatures in certain kinds of contemporary music.

That quote can provide a useful context for understanding and interpreting pieces like the one you're playing, which deviate from the "rules" we learn in traditional music theory courses.

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  • Wish the image showed a bit more of the score: it looks like the lower ledgers have four sharps in the standard E-Maj. – Carl Witthoft Jul 18 '17 at 11:42
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    But there, the printing is still off--it looks like the F sharp and G sharp are consistently at the bottom staff lines instead of the top. – Dekkadeci Jul 19 '17 at 13:33
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    The tonic of this piece is not A. – Elements in Space Jun 10 '22 at 23:18
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    The piece isn't bitonal. Where do you see two keys at the same time? – Old Brixtonian Jun 11 '22 at 00:42
  • @OldBrixtonian, the piece is bitonal. The second key is shown at the very bottom of the image, in the second treble clef. I believe that's a separate part for a 2nd piano. – jdjazz Jun 11 '22 at 00:48
  • @OldBrixtonian see also: https://tomplay.com/piano-sheet-music/bartk/mikrokosmos-volume-ii-no-44-contrary-motion-ii-for-two-pianos-piano-score – jdjazz Jun 11 '22 at 00:53
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    If you look at the whole piece you'll see it isn't bitonal. – Old Brixtonian Jun 11 '22 at 01:09
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    @jdjazz: Yes - the second piano is what the teacher plays. It has a different key _signature_ (C#m) because it uses C#s and D#s: the student's part has no Cs or Ds of any type. But the parts work together to produce familiar C#m-based harmonies, with a bit of folk-influenced D7#5. So the sound isn't bitonal even if the appearance is. – Old Brixtonian Jun 11 '22 at 02:11
  • @OldBrixtonian, I tried to find the whole score but couldn't--can you share a link, or a reference describing that Bartok thought it silly to show key signature accidentals that don't appear in a part? I am inclined to trust what you say, as I answered based on the provided image and not based on knowledge of the song. However, prima facie, two different key signatures *are* printed on the paper, which I think shifts the burden of proof. – jdjazz Jun 11 '22 at 14:42
  • @jdjazz If your not in the US, can get a digital copy of a pdf of Mikrokosmos at [this imslp link](https://imslp.org/wiki/Mikrokosmos%2C_Sz.107_(Bartók%2C_Béla)) Otherwise just try [this youtube link](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K44mcMjH2GE&t=319s) – Elements in Space Jun 11 '22 at 15:27
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    This answer really needs to be updated and corrected. It isn't the fault of the questioner that they accepted it, they trusted the answerer gave them the correct explanation. – Michael Curtis Jun 14 '22 at 13:16
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Looks like 2/4 or 4/8, but it should be explicit, inscribed immediately after the key signature - which, by the way, seems wonky as well (treble key signature should be written up one octave from where is it now).

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    There is nothing "wonky" about the key signature, though it's non standard. If you want to accuse Bartok of not being able to write music properly, that might say more about you than about Bartok - it's exercise 44 from https://imslp.org/wiki/Special:ImagefromIndex/465640/torat –  Jul 17 '17 at 17:04
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    I stand corrected. But really, there is no need to get personal, alephzero. Does this forum give badges for "cranky"? I've only been on this site for one day, looking around and exploring, and have already noticed _your_ responses to people stand out as consistently harsh and be-littling. – MoreHarpPlease Jul 17 '17 at 17:23
  • Ok. So can anyone explain the way Bartok wrote this? – user33232 Jul 17 '17 at 17:28
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    @user33232 Bartok liked odd harmonies and progressions, basically. He broke a variety of unwritten rules and ended up with music that at least some of us really like :-) – Carl Witthoft Jul 18 '17 at 11:40
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There isn't a time signature. Presumably you are talking about the key signature which would rather obviously appear to correspond to melodic A minor. Of course nobody writes it like that, but it could be an idiosyncratic way of notating it.

However, the barely visible half system at the bottom that should likely be played at the same time has a different and again non-standard key signature. So it would appear that something else is up here.

I'd be guessing at "Scordatura", notation that writes stuff as it is fingered on strings with a non-standard tuning. But the first two systems are treble and bass with a brace, notation that is common for large-tessitura instruments like the piano, and those are basically never played in Scordatura.

So more context is likely warranted to make a determination as to the composer's intention. Maybe the half-visible system is for a transposing instrument in B♭? In that case, it would be written like melodic B minor, using sharps on C, F, G, A. Nope, and there also is a brace likely indicating a combined instrument.

So you'll need to provide more context. This does not as to yet make a lot of sense.

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    "Of course nobody writes it like that" ... except Bartok. See the comment to the other post. (And it makes perfect sense). –  Jul 17 '17 at 17:06
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    Not necessarily 'rather obviously A melodic minor'. Following the rules, (which Bartok obviously didn't!), the second bar *should* contain G natural and F natural - descending melodic minor standard. – Tim Jul 17 '17 at 18:27
  • Ok. Didn't think of that. Does this mean Bartok followed the rules only when it pleases him and if I find more of them,(I have!), I should use common sense if the key signature is not recognised? Do other artists do the same? – user33232 Jul 17 '17 at 20:00