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I know that playing minor or major sixths on a cello within the normal range of the instrument is a very reasonable request. Adler shows several as possibilities (The Study of Orchestration, p. 79) Excerpt showing various cello parallel sixth options

It seems that it wouldn't be much harder to play them a little higher up; the fingers wouldn't even have the stretch as far. But what about much higher up, up in thumb position? Can these double-stops be executed by a skilled soloist? The tempo is slow, quarter = 72. Given the slow tempo, can I expect this to not frighten a cellist away, and will he/she be likely to be able to play both pitches in tune?

Score excerpt including D5-B5 and E5-C6 double-stops

Also, does the slur in the 3rd bar above make this more or less difficult? What effect would a similar slur have in the first bar?

Edit: the cello dynamic is piano, and it only needs to carry over an actual piano playing soft chords in the middle and low range (ie under the cello).

Aaron
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    short answer, yes, a pro should be able to, but it’s non-trivial, not something you’d want to sight read. Intermediate players might be daunted, or out of tune. I’ll give a fuller answer later. – Andy Bonner Dec 16 '22 at 23:19
  • The other issue is the C is only about a M3 from the end of the fingerboard. It takes skill to get those notes to even sound. Intonation up there is very tight. There’s thumb position and then there’s practically having your toes hanging over the edge of the cliff ;) – John Belzaguy Dec 17 '22 at 01:23
  • Up there it takes quite a lot of finger pressure to push two strings down because you are pretty close to the bridge, but it do-able. The slur is fine. – Jomiddnz Dec 17 '22 at 06:33
  • These comments are all helpful and quite similar... I think our answer lies herein if anyone would care to post it as such – nuggethead Dec 17 '22 at 14:54

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I am not a skilled cellist, but I just grabbed my daughter's cello and played it successfully. Mind you, my tone was such that my wife looked up and said "What are you doing? and why are you doing that to me?"

This range is, as John says, only about an inch from the end of the fingerboard. The C and the B "overlap" each other's space so that, as I played the C with 4th finger, I had to push the 4th out of the way as I placed the 3rd finger. Playing in this range is definitely for accomplished players. For a professional the range itself wouldn't raise eyebrows, but it might indeed scare away intermediate players.

Then, there's an added challenge to playing double stops in this range. Playing double stops in tune in any range adds an extra thing to worry about, and intonation is trickier in high registers.

But the big issue is bow control. The fairly slow tempo of 72 actually makes this much more challenging, especially if this is loud. I apologize for a lengthy digression, but to explain this, I'll have to explain a bit about how we control tone with the bow:

There are three variables: bow speed, the weight of the bow on the string, and the "contact point," i.e. how close the bow is to the bridge or fingerboard. You can manipulate all three in various combinations, up to a point. If you have a very heavy, very slow bow, you get a "crunch" sound. But then if you move closer to the bridge you can get away with that same combination; you can move slower for a given weight, or press harder for a given speed. And the opposites are true; a very fast, light bow at a medium contact point gives a breathy whistling tone. And as you move away from the bridge, the "crunch" sound happens at an even lower ratio of weight to speed (in other words, what would be a "normal" weight for a "normal" speed is either too heavy or too slow as you move toward the fingerboard).

Now, when you play high on the string, you have to move closer to the bridge anyway. When your vibrating string length is only 4 inches, then playing 1 inch from the bridge is a quarter of your total length; it would be like playing way over the fingerboard in first position. And that means the entire range of acceptable contact points is shrunk: straying a half-inch toward or away from the bridge might be like moving by 1.5 inches in lower positions. So to make a good, healthy tone in this range, you must keep an absolutely steady balance of weight, speed, and very exact contact point. And if you want it loud, that means even more weight, which means more speed to match, or moving closer to the bridge. And if these are long notes—like, say, whole notes at 72, then there's an absolute cap on speed; you can't move too fast or you'll run out of bow. So that means more weight and even closer to the bridge. If this is f or above, I'd probably ignore that slur, and would do a "reverse hairpin" or something of the sort during the double stops to save bow—drop in volume after articulating the note, then swell back again. And then double stops complicate the matter because it means you have to carefully balance the weight on two strings; it's not just a matter of the weight your arm exerts on the bow, but the exact angle, to make sure you don't "ease up" on either the D or A simply by rocking in their direction.

So, all that to say: This is absolutely the kind of feature you might find in a cello concerto, and would be welcomed by a professional as a chance to show off their chops, but is not something to be shrugged off as no big deal; it would take practice and confidence.

Andy Bonner
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  • I'll edit the question to specify, but the dynamic is piano, played only over an actual piano which is playing soft, low chords – nuggethead Dec 17 '22 at 15:21
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    +1 For good information, actually trying it out and especially for "What are you doing? and why are you doing that to me?" – John Belzaguy Dec 17 '22 at 19:06
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    I won't say bow control is _easy_ for those double stops – but it's definitely not the biggest problem, that is inevitably intonation. If you found it so difficult it's probably because you didn't press the strings down hard enough; that requires a lot more force than you'll be used to from violin. (Not necessary to press them all the way down to the fretboard, but it must be firm enough so the the finger develops a reasonably high mechanical impedance, higher than it needs to be on violin because of the thinner strings.) – leftaroundabout Dec 18 '22 at 01:27
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This particular example is actually quite nicely playable, because the D is a natural harmonic on the D string, so the thumb itself doesn't need to worry about intonation. Instead you have a lot of time to fine-tune the B, and then the index finger just needs to cross over to the D string to play the E of the next double stop. On cello, there's plenty enough space to play minor sixths, even in those high positions because the string spacing is even bigger there than in normal positions. Only, it's very difficult to get the intonation right up there – but this example is really about as friendly as it gets for double stops in that register.

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