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1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4 Nf6 5. Ng5 d5 6. exd5 Nxd5 7. Nxf7 Kxf7 8. Qf3+ Ke6

Now the usual move in the Fried Liver Attack is 9. Nc3 attacking the knight on d5, but the d-pawn heads this off. Is the Fried Liver Attack still viable in the Scotch Gambit/Two Knights Defense?

Lily Chung
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    The whole line looks very suspect. I'm at work, but at least 5...Ne5, 7...Qe7+ and 7...Bb4+ seem worth checking first. I've never seen 5.Ng5 in the Scotch Gambit. – RemcoGerlich Jan 18 '13 at 14:07
  • This opening just transposed into a Lolli Attack (variation of fried liver with d4 instead of Nxf7), where black has played poorly and white is in a much better position. White castles here.. threats things such as Re1, Bf4 and Nc3! (sacrificing for clearance) – Alan Jun 11 '14 at 14:50

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Given the moves in your post, the position favors White. I think most White players would enjoy the seeing the Black King out there, suffering a pin, sitting on an open file, and flapping in the breeze on move 8 with Queens on the board.

Here's what Stockfish thinks after a reasonably long think:


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1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Bc4 Nf6 5.Ng5 d5 6.exd5 Nxd5 7.Nxf7 Kxf7 8.Qf3+ Ke6 
 9.O-O Ne5 10.Re1 c6 11.Bf4 Bd6 12.Qg3 Qf6 13.Nd2 Re8 14.Nf3 Kf7 15.Nxe5+ Kg8 16.Nd3 Rxe1+ 17.Rxe1 Bf8 18.Be5 Qh6 19.Bxd4 Be6 20.Bb3 a5 21.a4 Bf7 22.h3 Rd8 23.Ne5

...with a small advantage for White. I see both players having a good game here. However, I suspect Black is walking a tightrope. That is, to maintain parity, Black must play much better than White.

Tony Ennis
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It's better to castle on move 7 and sacrifice the knight next move. Black will have a hard time defending against this.

The variation with 5.Ng5 is called the Perreux Variation and is extensively analysed at the following site: The Perreux Variation of the Two Knights Defense

A critical line begins with 6...Qe7+!

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   1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d4 exd4 5.Ng5 d5 6.exd5 Qe7+!

White might have to respond 7.Kf1, see the analyses given in the link.

Dag Oskar Madsen
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  • Good answer. Buried in the link you gave is one of my favorite games: [Morphy-NN 1-0, New Orleans Blindfold Simul](http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1224558). Morphy's moves in that game are perfect, even per modern computers (with sufficient analysis). – Andrew Nov 26 '13 at 15:50