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By a moral dilemma I mean a situation in which there are multiple possible courses of action (or inaction) each of which leads to different outcomes and the agent has to choose which one to take. The choice is the solution to the dilemma.

Consider the following response to Heinz dilemma:

It's easier for me to relate to a man whose wive he loves is dying and he is willing to do anything to save her. That, of course, does not mean that the druggist is wrong in being greedy, there is just a conflict of interests. But I support the position that, considering risks and stakes, on average benefits me and the majority of the humanity more.

In this case one views the druggist not as an immoral actor but akin to an opponent in a competitive game.

Is this still a moral judgement? Assuming the person views everything through this lens, do they have a morality?

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    The question might be helped by specificying more about (a) what is the word "dilemma" being used to refer to, here? (b) what does it mean for such a dilemma to be solved? On one level, for example, the concern is whether so-called "moral residue" or the desire-to-feel-guilty can be eliminated for agents who choose horns of a dilemma (or who make no choice/remain inactive when faced with some dilemmas). From the standpoint of emotional health, if one can administer medication to dispel neurotic guilt feelings, that might be prudent. But is that a dissolution more than a solution to a dilemma? – Kristian Berry May 25 '23 at 21:33
  • Well, ya seem ta have grokked the problem well enough. The solution should be obvious, oui? – Agent Smith May 25 '23 at 22:04
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    [Moral dilemmas](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-dilemmas/) refer to conflicts of requirements within a fixed moral system, which an agent has adopted. They cannot be resolved by suggesting that the agent change her morality to avoid them. Indeed, many moral systems would regard such opportunistic morality shopping as immoral. Of course, a different agent can adopt a different moral system where the dilemma does not arise, but that is beside the point for the original agent. – Conifold May 25 '23 at 22:34

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I make the case that solving apparently lose-lose dilemmas in a creative way, involves the skill we call wisdom: Wisdom and John Vervaeke's awakening from the meaning crises?

There are other options. The man could set up a health insurance system. Campaign for political change. Undertake activities to get publicity for his fundraising. We don't have to accept the apparent binary choices we are presented with. There's also every chance the man won't get the drug, and will be in prison for burglary while his wife dies..

You could idealise the case as a trolley problem, to remove the alternatives. You are stood at a switching lever, the trolley is heading towards your wife, but if you pull the lever it will divert to a track with the pharmacists window on it which being hit will cause the pharmacist to pay a slightly higher theft insurance premium. An overwhelming majority I think would consider it immoral to allow your wife to die out of concern for the pharmacists property.

We have hierarchies of moral values, so most moral systems approve of lying to a murderer to save someone who would otherwise become a victim (Kant famously didn't accept this). So it is considered moral by most people, to violate a rule they normally hold, in service of a higher moral duty. For example, we generally accept murdering people in war, to protect people from being murdered unjustly (wars generally begin with a conflict in views about what is just).

Generally in practical ethics a life is given a large financial value (see 'Quality-adjusted life year'), not unlimited because a given use of money might save more lives spent one way than another. Most of the world and nearly every developed country except the USA, makes provision for people to recieve life-saving when they need it, with how it is paid for worked out afterwards. There is arguably a moral contradiction in claiming lives have a high value, and allowing people to die because they could not afford health insurance, and can't pay upfront for care. In the USA this is widely considered a moral failing of the person who is poor, rather than a practical issue to be solved in the interests of the community as a whole. This highlights how culture can be at odds with the claimed morality of individuals in it.

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  • I imagine his wife would not last long enough for all that campaigning without the drug. But that's not even the point, the point is that one can view the life from a game-theoretic view: "Life is a game of life, some players win, some players lose. And all the rules are installed by the players themselves to increase their chances to win through cooperation." In this case one could say that his enemy is wrong for not checking if the gun is loaded. But realize that he is lucky that his enemy has not checked it. – rus9384 Jun 27 '23 at 08:40
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Firstly, a moral dilemma is not simply a choice- it is a choice between equally unsatisfactory options. Then, what you might consider to be a judgement that does not rest on any moral principles might still be viewed as a moral judgement by others, since the boundary between moral and other judgements is fuzzy. Finally, yes, you could decide between morally unacceptable options by tossing a coin, say, but you would not be resolving the dilemma, merely sidestepping it.

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  • Does not the moral framework affect which of the choices is more unsatisfactory? And tossing a coin is not a resolution, I agree, because it'd result in a different response at different times in the same setting. So, maybe, the definition of the resolution is more complex than that. – rus9384 May 26 '23 at 13:20
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A woman was on her deathbed. There was one drug that the doctors said would save her. It was a form of radium that a druggist in the same town had recently discovered. The drug was expensive to make, but the druggist was charging ten times what the drug cost him to produce. He paid $200 for the radium and charged $2,000 for a small dose of the drug. The sick woman's husband, Heinz, went to everyone he knew to borrow the money, but he could only get together about $1,000 which is half of what it cost. He told the druggist that his wife was dying and asked him to sell it cheaper or let him pay later. But the druggist said: “No, I discovered the drug and I'm going to make money from it.” So Heinz got desperate and broke into the man's laboratory to steal the drug for his wife. Should Heinz have broken into the laboratory to steal the drug for his wife? Why or why not?

This is a dilemma wording text from wiki. But it is totally senseless problem, because a conflict comes down to MONEY. MONEY have no moral value. Money is only equal price of something else(for example doctor have three little babies that need food). So we should to look chip drama "because of" 1000$. Oh really a man can't find 1000$? He have no car, mb, no home stuff, no house? He has no job, he can't get a credit? Simple analysis of the situation about the problem of 1000$ getting become to existing in a vacuum limbo space.

And why Heinz still has a wife? i always thought that to have a wife a man needs money.

Okey, but if drug is cost not 2000$ but 1000 000$ you can to ask - but this way there ll be better security in drug's store, and this doctor will be not a person, but an agent of BIGFARM without "self-moral" responsibilities. All "moral responsibility" ll take the firm as a legal entity.

And here we have only one question. Does the legal entity is still belong same moral kind as a single person? and more wide, is corp moral still moral or something else? But anyway the conflict of interest one and many is another moral plane. (I don't know Eng word that means this kind of conflict)

  • If money has no moral value, I can steal yours & it won't be immoral? I think you mean life has a higher or unlimited moral value, than property including money. You haven't really answered the question. – CriglCragl Jun 25 '23 at 14:02
  • @CriglCragl you can't still my or someone's money, because money are not mine or yours, you can read on banknote what is note there and who is the money owner. Money is not treasure, they have no real value - so they have no any value. – άνθρωπος Jun 25 '23 at 16:37
  • *I think you mean* - i do not mean, read and look, you have thyself eyes to see the reality, thou doest not need my meanings to understand what do real. Only real things have value - money do not real things, but they give illusion of valution. Only real things have moral value, illusions value is a lie – άνθρωπος Jun 25 '23 at 16:51
  • Ok that's fair, what I meant is, *if you were attempting to make coherent points*, I think you mean -. Your post is not good. – CriglCragl Jun 25 '23 at 17:02
  • @CriglCragl i do not understand meanings, have troubles with it, i call it δυσλέξις . My brain have no points, only causes, gimme another causes i will say something another, have you another causes? And you can't steal any money, because money not belong to you or other to be able be stolen - money stolen is a fake concept, do you understand this or not? – άνθρωπος Jun 25 '23 at 20:37
  • @CriglCragl Robber Good logic, you know? – άνθρωπος Jun 25 '23 at 20:44