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I would like to know what anybody thinks of the following argument against brute physical facts, such as the idea that the material universe as a whole is a brute fact.

A physical fact is taken to mean a true statement about something that is concrete, or actually instantiated, in the physical world. Given a physical fact F, then F is contingent if it obtaining is not a logical necessity, and necessary if it obtaining is a logical necessity. A brute fact is one which admits no explanation for why it's true, even in principle.

Assumption (Weak PSR): All contingent physical facts admit a further explanation as to why they're true, even if just in principle.

Note: An "in principle" explanation can be thought of as an explanans which, even if it does not obtain in actuality, is one which admits no logical contradictions.

Argument:

  1. All brute physical facts must be contingent, or else appealing to their necessity would be explanation for why they're true.

  2. Therefore, since all brute physical facts are contingent physical facts, they admit a further explanation as to why they're true, even if just in principle. (by Weak PSR)

  3. Because brute physical facts do not admit a further explanation as to why they're true, even just in principle, we conclude that there are no brute physical facts.

Is this argument consistent with standard usage and strong in the informally logical sense?

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  • Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been [moved to chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/133901/discussion-on-question-by-mark-an-argument-against-brute-physical-facts). – Philip Klöcking Feb 06 '22 at 14:22
  • @DoubleKnot Yes, Leibniz and may philosophers since have gone a step further and tried to use the PSR to provide a positive "cosmological argument" for the existence of a necessary being (God). I am not trying to make such a strong claim. I only want to show that under rather weak philosophical commitments, brute physical facts seem implausible. – Mark Feb 06 '22 at 14:22

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  1. All brute physical facts must be contingent, or else appealing to their necessity would be explanation for why it's true.
  2. Therefore, by assumption, all brute physical facts admit a further explanation as to why it's true, even if just in principle.
  3. Because brute physical facts do not admit a further explanation as to why they're true, even just in principle, we conclude that there are no brute physical facts.

Step 2 does not follow from step 1. What is the "further explanation" you refer to in step 2?

I suspect that you are making an unstated assumption that contingent facts have a further explanation, i.e. that they are "contingent upon" something else. This is not part of the definition of contingent facts that you stated. Your stated definition of a contingent fact is that it's simply a fact for which obtaining it is not a logical necessity. There's nothing in that definition about a contingent fact being "contingent on" or "dependent on" something else.

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  • 2 follows 1 given my Assumption, which is a weak version of the PSR. Right? – Mark Feb 05 '22 at 18:47
  • @Mark Fair enough, but you're just assuming what you're trying to prove. – causative Feb 05 '22 at 19:16
  • How so? That brute facts are contingent is not trivial, and then we show that all that one needs to commit to is the "Weak PSR" as stated in order to reject brute physical facts. It's not a complex argument, but I'm not sure it needs to be. – Mark Feb 05 '22 at 19:20
  • @Mark Your "weak PSR" is just a rephrasing of your rejection of brute physical facts. It's not easier to accept or more obvious than a rejection of brute physical facts. – causative Feb 05 '22 at 19:28
  • I think it is. Simply accepting the weak PSR does not allow you to reject a brute physical fact until you establish that brute facts are contingent. – Mark Feb 05 '22 at 19:43
  • @Mark But the fact that the argument crucially contains a mind-numbingly obvious petitio of course makes the argument fallacious. Even if we accept your argument for the claim that all necessary physical facts have an (in principle) explanation, you still have to commit the petitio to reach the final conclusion. So you don't get to the conclusion you want without fallacious reasoning. And even the claim about necessary physical facts is questionable because it's only plausible under a thin notion of explanation, that risks strawmanning your opponent. You should accept this answer by causative. – Johannes Feb 07 '22 at 20:46
  • @Johannes I am sorry, I had to look up "petitio", which I take as "assuming what I am trying to prove". I am still unclear as to where you see this in the argument. My weak PSR does not reject brute physical facts until we establish that brute physical facts are indeed contingent, which is done in line 1. Yes, it is a simple argument. But you cannot draw the conclusion from the premise of the weak PSR. If you could do me the favor and show how to draw the conclusion directly from the weak PSR I would be very grateful. – Mark Feb 07 '22 at 22:11
  • Beating a dead horse here. You claim you have a proof for P&Q (P=all necessary physical facts admit explanation, Q=all contingent physical facts admit explanation), this is the conclusion you are trying to establish so you can then claim there are no brute physical facts. You give a proof for P that is not necessarily question begging, fine. But then your proof for Q is just that Q (i.e. weak PSR), i.e. you're begging the question. You have only proved P, and begged the question on Q. Hence no proof for P&Q has been given, hence the ultimate conclusion about brute facts can't be drawn. – Johannes Feb 07 '22 at 23:10
  • The step from "all necessary physical facts admit explanation" to "brute physical facts must be contingent" is entirely superfluous in the proof and does nothing to establish the claim that "no contingent physical facts are brute", and it's precisely this last claim you are begging the question on. What you have is at best a proof that no necessary physical facts are brute. That's it. Hence you don't have a proof that there are no brute physical facts of ANY kind. The proof you give for that broader claim is obviously question begging. – Johannes Feb 08 '22 at 00:06
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A brute [physical] fact is one which admits no explanation for why it's true, even in principle.

So are you excluding randomness??? Quantum physics typically provides explanations for the probabilities of observing different outcomes among a set of possible outcomes, but it absolutely never provides explanations for why one particular outcome is observed rather than another. It doesn't even permit any such explanation. So I think those would be examples of what you're calling brute physical facts.

There are various non-mainstream deterministic alternatives, usually one or another kind of hidden variable theory, or sometimes many world interpretations, or occasionally other deterministic arguments. So which one of those are you advocating? I think you necessarily must be advocating one or another such deterministic theory if you're trying to assert that observed experimental outcomes are examples of contingent facts. Or do you have some other way to reconcile "contingent" and "random"?

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  • Thanks for your comment! This is an interesting point indeed. What if I said the following: An outcome being chosen due to a quantum/probabilistic process would indeed be a further explanation, hence excluding such things as being considered brute. Learning that this outcome was chosen by a probabilistic process certainly provides you with very interesting (and new) information. Furthermore, if it turns out that our universe was the result of such a process, it leads one to wonder what the the rules governing the random generating process lying behind physical reality actually are. – Mark Feb 06 '22 at 14:15
  • @Mark Re _An outcome chosen due to a quantum/probabilistic process_; that isn't what happens (not according to the standard/Copenhagen interpretation, anyway). Outcomes aren't "chosen" whatsoever, they just "occur"...poof. You can predict the probability of an outcome's occurrence over repeated measurements of identically-prepared systems, but you can't predict which outcome will occur as a result of any one particular measurement, nor "explain" why that eventually-observed outcome did occur. As for _rules governing the random process_, sure. But the **outcome** of the process is still random. – eigengrau Feb 06 '22 at 14:47
  • @Mark: Your comment is on the right track. Too many people wrongly believe that QM requires a non-deterministic universe. That belief is completely bogus. There is not a single bit of evidence that there is true randomization in the real world. Look at how chaos can arise from purely deterministic processes, to see that it's a total fallacy to believe that what appears random is indeed random. – user21820 Feb 06 '22 at 17:09
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Brute facts were theorised by Poincare, Duhem and Anscombe. Poincare and Duhem were concerned about scientific descriptions underpinned by brute facts. Whereas Ancscombe also wrote about social and institutional brute facts.

Physical brute facts were introduced by Searle to distinguish them from social and institutuonal facts which have their truth grounded in human consensus.

However, informally the notion goes back to Liebniz who founded his logic on two principles: non-contradiction and the principle of sufficient reason. He also distinguished between necessary and contingent truths - this is more or less what you have with necessary and contingent facts as logic is used to assert there necessity and contingency. This principle states every truth has a reason. Hence, in your language there are no brute physical facts.

Now, if the principle of sufficient reason is a truth then it must, by its own reasoning, have a reason. The argument you supplied is such a rationale.

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Short Response

Having thought things out more fully, I'll just provide a short answer. You claim:

Therefore, since all brute physical facts are contingent physical facts, they admit a further explanation as to why they're true, even if just in principle. (by Weak PSR)

This is not a true statement regarding physical facts. Explanations of physical facts in science are determined by criteria that need to be met. Inadequate explanations are no explanations at all. Therefore the importance of the distinction between the possibility of a scientific explanation, and an actual adequate scientific explanation (the existence of which itself is subject to debate regarding theory-ladenness in the instrumentalist-realist debate) is important.

This claim of your flies in the face of fallibilism on several accounts including mistaking modality for actuality, not recognizing the limits of non-monotonic logic, and failing to assert empirical criteria in the selection of adequate explanation of physical facts. Simply put, just because you can create a sentence and call it explanans doesn't mean it is actually a scientifically acceptable explanans.

Science may push the boundaries of brute fact by building bigger and better theories to encompass more and more, particularly through reduction, but there will always be a new hypothesis, and old theories may fall apart moving scientific facts back to the state of brute facts. Simply inventing an explanation and declaring a brute fact dissolved is not scientific.

This sentence can be made true by withdrawing the modifier 'physical', but then, at least from an empiricist standpoint the sentence becomes speculative metaphysics and relatively meaningless.

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  • Thank you for commenting. You summarize by saying: "Simply put, just because you can create a sentence and call it explanans doesn't mean it is actually a scientifically acceptable explanans." I've framed my PSR in this way as a direct refutation of the commonly held definition of a brute fact: Not only is there no explanation that we have yet to discover, there is no possible explanation. My formulation then encompasses a challenge to this: Whenever somebody encounters a physical fact, it is not reasonable for them to believe it has no further explanation. – Mark Feb 06 '22 at 20:38
  • Right, which is why I directly attacked PSR by saying that the contingency of physical facts having an explanation is insufficient; and if you were to amend the sentence to "adequate explanation", it follows that the definition of adequacy for explanation is itself not amenable to saving your argument. We're both fallibilists, but we are disagreeing over whether or not brute facts, which within the Agrippan Trilemma are foundationalist claims, can be eliminated. The argument purports to show they are, and in an extended sense, the structure of knowledge can indeed push back on brute facts... – J D Feb 07 '22 at 14:43
  • But at any instant in time, there will always be brute facts because knowledge is neither perfect (any purported explanation might succumb to the scandal of induction) nor infinite (any constructed theory must start somewhere, even temporarily). Look, for perspective, I think it's important to note you're trying to reduce the Trilemma to a Dilemma (no brute facts eliminates the foundationalist leg), and contextually, we can look at the thousands of years of history and conjecture that if a strong argument existed for making the Trilemma a Dilemma, it likely would have surfaced already... – J D Feb 07 '22 at 14:46
  • Prima facie, the "possibility of an explanation" seems to encompass a bona fide explanation that dissolves the brute fact, but the key philosophical challenge of mathematics and science has been to show that math and science always can provide an adequate explanation for a explanandum, say through the Deductive-Nomological model, and the chief takeaway from the logical positivists is that some theoretical possibility does not equate to a guaranteed actuality. If I were to concede the Weak PSR, I think it's a defensible, but not invulnerable thesis, bc the function of the WPSR in the argument.. – J D Feb 07 '22 at 14:51
  • is to patch over the glaring problem with finding explanations, which is THE challenge to eliminating foundationalist thinking, but it's a huge whole, and even your assumption doesn't fully solve the problem. Anyway, take my feedback for what it's worth, which is about $0.02. If you're hell bent on eliminating foundationalism as a valid leg of the Trilemma, you'll find a way to keep yourself convinced. But eliminating brute facts only leaves circularity and infinite regress, so your argument really boils down to your views on potential vs. actual infinity... – J D Feb 07 '22 at 14:54
  • I'm a constructivist, so I come packed with an additional set of arguments about finite physical formal systems to adduce that any "infinite" or "circular" structure in reason is essentially a temporary construct of finite systems. As such, brute facts are just a fact of life. Every formal system on some level has to be embodied by physically finite systems, and for people, those presumptions, regardless of their sophistication, will always be brute facts. Good luck! – J D Feb 07 '22 at 14:57
  • Darn it. Can't help myself: "Whenever somebody encounters a physical fact, it is not reasonable for them to believe it has no further explanation." True, but it's also unreasonable to believe that because something potentially has an explanation, that one is guaranteed to find it. That's just wishful thinking. – J D Feb 07 '22 at 14:58
  • I value your comments much more than $0.02. I am not a philosopher now do I run in philosophic circles, so such feedback from thoughtful and more experienced individuals like yourself is highly appreciated. My goal is to only see how I can make the best argument possible. If I could add my response to one of your points: I am not trying to avoid the Trilemma. What I am trying to argue is that the ultimate explanation of physical facts does not bottom out in a brute PHYSICAL fact.... – Mark Feb 07 '22 at 22:17
  • ...Yes, this leaves regress and circularity as an option, but it also leaves brute facts as an option so long as they are not brute facts solely about physical things. Many philosophers take seriously the idea that there's a brute axiarchic explanation as to why the universe exists, in that "it exists because it's good that it exists". Or maybe abstract non-physical platonic principles turn out to have causal power in the physical world as a brute fact. I'm not committed to such views, my sole purpose is to evaluate the claim of brute physical facts. – Mark Feb 07 '22 at 22:19
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Caveat

I have formulated a Short Response and posted it as a second answer for those who see this response as TLDR.

Short Answer

This argument is not strong because it betrays typical usage for 'brute fact'.

A brute fact is one which admits no explanation for why it's true, even in principle.

While a brute fact is a fact without explanation, it is very possible to adduce, say, a scientific explanation to make a brute fact a scientific fact. A claim can be both a brute fact and a scientific fact at the same time. Language is highly contextual.

...we conclude that there are no brute physical facts.

You've reasoned your way past common sense. It's simply a brute fact that there are brute facts. Let's look closer.

Long Answer

There are two primary flaws as I see it in your informal argument, one among the premises, and the conclusion itself, so let's see if we can explain why the argument you provide isn't strong or cogent.

First, if we consider the premise that a brute fact can't have an explanation, we can undermine an important foundational element in your rhetoric. Let's simply admit that a brute fact and a scientific fact aren't mutually exclusive. That's easy to do knowing that the function of the sciences as an empirically epistemological tool is to take brute facts and transform them into justified, true beliefs of a sort. Thus, that 'Snow is white' is a rather atomic, brute fact known to 2 year-olds everywhere, a brute fact can be bolstered in an epistemological sense by citing scientific theory to explain it. That explanation the science of optics, which includes facts and theories about light and perception, now provides. Thus a brute fact can also be a scientific fact. What started out as an intuitional claim thus has been vetted by the global and historical community of science. Thus, we have a brute fact with an explanation.

Brute facts generally have explanations, even if we're not aware of them when we make a claim that is a brute fact. What makes a claim a brute fact is whether it comes from a thinker's intuition or not. Thus, "Snow is white" is both a brute fact and a scientific fact depending not on the utterance or proposition, but it's place in the worldview of the claimant.

Second, you seem to think past what a brute fact is. A brute fact is simply a self-evident truth. 'Gravity pulls things down.' Brute fact. 'Things in motion come to a stop.' Brute fact. 'The sky is usually blue.' Brute fact. The traditional use of the term brute fact means that on the threshold between what we perceive and what we can claim, certain claims seem to be made universally by people everywhere, and therefore brute facts are a universal human experience and undeniably exist. In a naive sense, a brute fact is simply a nearly universally consensual agreement about the state of affairs. It might help to think of brute facts as natural foundational claims in the sense of the Agrippan Trilemma. What is a brute fact is subject to fuzzy logic and categorization, of course, and near-universal is necessary to qualify since a color-blind person wouldn't consider claims about colors brute facts.

But brute facts are a brute fact because human beings when they reason are capable of making simple, obvious claims about the physical world of which they are apart. That naturalism has led to various scientific methods that substantiates the brute facts as scientific facts based on empirical evidence isn't a forgone conclusion, and many cultures today simply don't have anything nearly as sophisticated as the sciences, and rely heavily on brute facts. The Yahgan people are good example of a culture where this is true. This is because brute facts are a product of our naive capacities, such as naive physics and folk psychology which are a resultant of our philosophical intuitions. In fact, sometimes brute facts turn out to be wrong.

Consider the claim the brute fact that 'Things in motion come to a stop.' This is a famous brute fact that was elevated through philosophical argument as a certain fact in Aristotelian physics. Not until Newton was the 'truth' of this claim undone. Now, we have a scientific fact which contradicts the brute fact. 'The existence of an object's inertia is nothing more than a claim a thing in motion tends to stay in motion until stopped by a countervailing force.' Does that mean that 'Things in motion come to a stop.' isn't a brute fact anymore? Of course not. Any child when asked after this principle is likely to make the former and not the latter claim. Why? Because human reason is defeasible and built on experience which begins as highly intuitional and never fully escapes intuition. Utterances and symbols derive their meaning from intuitions, ultimately.

So, not to mince words, your argument appears to have all of the hallmarks of a valid deductive argument, but in reality this is a masquerade of sorts since it is a weak argument based on premises that both contradict common-sense observations about what a brute fact is defined and which arrives as a self-evidently contradictory conclusion regarding the universal prevalence of brute facts as an aspect of human experience.

ADDENDUM 2022-02-06 - The Importance of the Duhem-Quine Thesis

I've received the criticism and respond.

First, the definition of brute fact can indeed be constrained to a narrow interpretation depending on how one views epistemic modality. I do not believe that Searle, Quine, Duhem, or others use it in the way you do. Let's clarify the narrow view you seem to advocating:

A brute fact is one which admits no explanation (no matter how contrary to physical experience and reason) for why it's true, even in principle (in no possible world perhaps even considering non-modal realism).

Whereas my experience seems more inline with what WP's article claims about Duhem's view:

A brute fact is one which admits no explanation for why it's true, even in principle (although the provision of one or more scientifically feasible explanans might dissolve the brute fact, though there is no non-defeasible measure of which explanans is best given the theory-ladeness of scientific theory).

Thus, we have two disparate worldviews at play, with the instrumentalism-realism debate rearing its head again. I simply assert that your views on naturalism are inconsistent with contemporary views on the nature of the defeasibility of reason and Duhem-Quine thesis.

Let's adduce a further passage from the article:

To reject the existence of brute facts is to think that everything can be explained.

This, of course, is your objective in your argument, to reject the existence of brute facts, and I think we're moving towards the same ends, but your argument again has an obvious deficiency. Must because linguistic facility allows us to explain anything doesn't mean that an explanation is adequate, and there is the rub where we split hairs. You seem to think that ANY explanation, no matter how absurd, inconsistent, or constructed willy-nilly disqualifies a fact from being brute, and on the face such a linguistic category 'explanation' certainly includes these members, but there's a wholesale effort to be blind to the obvious truth that there are grades of membership involved in explanation!

'It is raining.' is a brute fact, but should I accept the explanans that it's because 'Angels are crying.' satisfies the criterion of ADEQUATE explanation? Of course not. It's an absurdity. A fiction. A story told to fill in the gaps of knowledge of children in the Judeo-christian tradition usually rationalized with admonishments about the importance of faith. No. This simply won't do to disqualify a brute fact. An explanation must adhere to the best practices of the sciences (read epistemic methodologies used to reduce uncertainty) and we can use simple philosophical razors to dismiss bad and complicated explanations rendering them effectively non-explanatory.

Let's provide a more insightful example. Through complicated appeals to empirical evidence and an extensive exercise in computation, we might arrive at a brute fact. 'Subatomic particles are the ultimate constituents of matter.' This brute fact goes back to the ancient Greeks, and even under the current standard model, seems to be a fundamental truth, one of two which is contradictory under QM. Now, the question remains. Is there or is there not an ADEQUATE explanation for this fact, and I would posit simply no. It's a reasonable assumption about space-time and has been for thousands of years, but no ADEQUATE explanation exists, at least for me. I'm a conventional naturalist who rejects alternative physical realities such as the multiverse, Heaven, Brain in the Vat, the Simulated Universe and the Realm of Forms. (They're all lack any empirical validation.) For me, the universe simply is divisible into subatomic particles and it is a brute fact.

So again, your definition only works if you exclude the relative nature of what constitutes a fact. I do not believe post-Quine, that this is how the contemporary usage of brute fact applies, at least through my superficial readings with Searle, and I do not believe that the class of explanadum should consider any linguistic construct which is grammatical and barely sensible. This is not how science is done, nor how contemporary logic works except in the toy problems of logicians who generally insist that the traditional laws of thought must apply. It violates intuitionism, constructionism, and ignores the import of the discriminatory capacity of the thinker to decide what qualifies as an acceptable explanation.

Now, that being said, let's drill down one last time. You say:

Since all brute physical facts are contingent physical facts, they admit a further explanation as to why they're true, even if just in principle.

No empiricist in his right mind would accept this claim, because while all brute physical facts are contingent since they are constructed by thinkers, a theoretical criteria for the existence of an explanation does not satisfy the primary criterion of empiricists since Hume, that is the satisfaction of truth by empirical evidence. What. Because a scientist can think that the the universe is a simulation, the fundamental nature of subatomic particles as bits in a metaphysical computer means 'subatomic particles as fundamental' is no longer a brute fact? I would say to such a claim, dream on. This is exactly the angels-on-a-pin-head metaphysical debate that, while an interesting exercise in logic, has no bearing on the more certain world provided by the sciences. So, because a butterfly can dream us into existence there aren't inexplicable facts?!? Come on. You don't actually believe that to be true, do you?

No, an empiricist and by virtue scientist has to put her boots on the ground and draw a line between physical and fanciful, and that's exactly what science purports to do. To reject the existence of brute facts is to reject the efficacy of science, and to lack any criteria for differentiating between the natural and the supernatural, and I suspect few members of the NAS would subscribe to such a philosophy.

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  • I very much thank you for engaging with the argument and providing insightful feedback. Allow me to offer my reply: I would contend that all of the examples that you provide as examples of brute facts are in fact not brute facts. The very link you provided for "brute fact" states the definition I have in mind: "a brute fact is a fact that cannot be explained in terms of a deeper, more "fundamental" fact."". Yet you write: "Brute facts generally have explanations." So right from the start I suspect we are using different definitions here. – Mark Feb 05 '22 at 16:06
  • The fact that "snow is white" can indeed by explained by deeper, more fundamental facts, such as the physics of the color spectrum and the human perception of it, etc. When somebody says that the "instantiation of the physical universe as a whole" is a brute fact, I understand this to mean that there is no explanation for this instantiation. I grant that this could allow for a different scientific description of this state of affairs not yet considered, but I also take this to mean the claim that there are no "external" explanations which necessitate it. – Mark Feb 05 '22 at 16:09
  • Which is why I opened with "This argument is not strong because it betrays typical usage for 'brute fact'" and provided a link to a conventional definition on WP. You've done nothing more than crafted an idiosyncratic definition to arrive at a conclusion creating the appearance of a philosophical problem where none exists. Feel free to define words in contradiction of convention, but never lose fact that language is a public activity, and that doing so seems to carry with it an agenda of obscurantism. – J D Feb 05 '22 at 16:11
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    @jd -- but as Mark noted, your link to a "conventional" definition of brute fact, IS Mark's definition!!!!!! "In contemporary philosophy, a brute fact is a fact that cannot be explained in terms of a deeper, more "fundamental" fact.[1]". Neither Snow White the Disney character, nor things stopping their movement, would be "brute facts" per your linked definition, both are explainable with more fundamental physics!!! – Dcleve Feb 05 '22 at 16:42
  • The scientific method SEEKS for explanations, but may not be able to find them. Currently in our science, the existence and propeprties of elementary particles have to be taken as brute facts. And with the failure of the reductionism/unity-of-science project, the existence of tiers of knowledge that are not reducible to physics (chemistry, biology, psychology, sociology, anthropology, geology, etc), and also non-science knowledge (math, philosophy, art, history) also has to be taken as a brute fact. And the Trilemma tells us that ultimately, we will have to settle for brute facts. – Dcleve Feb 05 '22 at 16:50
  • @Dcleve Thanks a lot for engaging with my argument. I responded above, but will post my response here as well: While granting the Munchausen Trilemma, what I am trying to argue here is that in the class of facts about the physical world, we can always push further. I am willing to acknowledge that it's possible that certain logical facts such as the law of the excluded middle, etc., or platonic truths, may turn out to be brute, and may in fact be the brute reasons for our existence, but brute facts about the physical, tangible world do not exist. – Mark Feb 05 '22 at 18:57
  • @Dcleve Okay gentleman. I've responded with an addendum in which I have decided to reject claim 3. The sciences are in the business of differentiating between adequate and inadequate criteria for the acceptance of the existence of explanation based on empirical evidence, and 3 simply admits non-empirical explanations as a satisfactory basis for satisfying the criterion of the existence of explanation to reduce a brute fact. I reject this, naturalism in any reasonable form rejects this, and I suspect no sophisticated thinker of science would accept this condition. You have to choose... – J D Feb 06 '22 at 15:24
  • Do you accept science and empirical evidence as a criterion for adequate explanation, or do you accept any linguistic construction which intuitively work. I would simply say that the latter entails ironically reducing all "explanations" brute facts leaving only the former notion, which is generally consistent with a modern model-theoeretic interpretation of scientific theory-as-explanation. – J D Feb 06 '22 at 15:26
  • I do want to thank you both for challenging my challenge. :D Always a pleasure. (Oh, and I reject that Mark's definition of brute fact adequately uses the context of the article to establish a sufficient formulation of definition. Dcleve's quotation simply drops the import of the article since paraphrasis is for any quotation, implicit or otherwise. – J D Feb 06 '22 at 15:26
  • @JD -- I think you are far better off challenging point 2 -- where the weak PDR is asserted. You reject the weak PSR, so reject point 2. – Dcleve Feb 06 '22 at 19:43
  • Back to the nature of science -- science operates on trying to push pack the infinite series leg of Munchausen. Each new explanatory insight science achieves, reveals a new class of "brute facts" are no longer actually brute, as they are now explained. But in the process, the new explanations are themselves now new brute facts. If at some point, we get to where we can find no further explanation for our base brute facts, then we will have to accept them as permanently brute. Maybe someday we will have a GUT that explains the Standard Model, but then the GUT itself will be brute facts. – Dcleve Feb 06 '22 at 19:48
  • @JD It's going to take me some time to re-read your edited response, but I would like to respond to your last comment to me: I understand a brute fact to be one that not only has no known explanation, but also no possible explanation. This is the version that I believe most adherents of brute fact hold. I deny that this can be true for physical facts, and permit explanations that can go beyond our scientific understanding, even in principle. As an analogy, quantum mechanics is an explanation for many real-world phenomena, but such explanations would in principle not be accessible to a fish. – Mark Feb 06 '22 at 21:09
  • @Dcleve I would say that science does indeed constantly look for new foundations, however, every theory as advocated presumes a finite, foundationalist structure. In this sense it is like a mathematical structure which has to begin somewhere, and starts with various presumptions. In fact, the demarcation problem shows that scientific understanding is a patchwork of such theories each with unique elements that cannot be reduced to others. – J D Feb 07 '22 at 14:33
  • @Mark The defeasibility of reason is such that no one can say whether or not an adequate explanation is possible. In fact, it's part of the Goedel's theorem when dealing with structures that there are an infinite number of truths in any non-trivial system that simply cannot be proved from within a system; one can expand the system to prove any particular truth, but there's no recipe for determining how to do so. The Continuum Hypothesis is a perfect example how a conjecture can persist in the face of repeated attempts to prove a truth by introducing new foundations. – J D Feb 07 '22 at 14:37